WEBVTT 00:30.000 --> 00:31.600 OK. 00:31.600 --> 00:36.600 So tell us the story of the heck of a process. 00:36.600 --> 00:37.080 All right. 00:37.080 --> 00:40.400 So my name is Mattia. 00:40.400 --> 00:42.680 People often call me cook. 00:42.680 --> 00:45.400 You may have seen the duck before. 00:45.400 --> 00:48.800 And this is a story of a little duck and a hacker train. 00:48.800 --> 00:52.440 So what happened was, first of all, 00:52.440 --> 00:54.680 it's clearly a question, what is a hacker train? 00:54.680 --> 00:57.120 Hacker train, as well, a train full of hackers 00:57.120 --> 01:00.280 and in our case, a duck. 01:00.280 --> 01:01.520 So we have a sticker. 01:01.520 --> 01:06.320 We have a domain name now since January. 01:06.320 --> 01:08.720 It's always a good start for a geeky project. 01:08.720 --> 01:12.360 But here's the origin of the story. 01:12.360 --> 01:14.880 It's like, and for several years, we've 01:14.880 --> 01:21.840 been thinking of just around 10,000 geeks at Faustown. 01:21.840 --> 01:23.960 Most of them are from Europe. 01:23.960 --> 01:26.880 Europe has mostly decent railways. 01:26.880 --> 01:33.680 Why don't we do something with this? 01:33.680 --> 01:37.480 So we had like early goals, like, OK, like for short-term goals, 01:37.480 --> 01:40.280 like, let's make the first thing, let's make the thing fun. 01:40.280 --> 01:44.280 So we want to make sure that hackers meet on a train 01:44.280 --> 01:46.840 because in such a big place that as Faustown 01:46.840 --> 01:48.720 is, you will bump into a lot of people. 01:48.720 --> 01:51.720 But if you don't know them, maybe you won't 01:51.720 --> 01:54.360 start a conversation, but if you're stuck on a train together 01:54.360 --> 02:00.480 for, you know, some hours, you might get to learn each other. 02:00.480 --> 02:03.680 And also, it's a ecological and comfortable way 02:03.680 --> 02:06.080 to travel, and we're comfortable ish, 02:06.080 --> 02:07.680 depending on your preferences. 02:07.680 --> 02:11.360 So the long-term goal was also, well, let's 02:11.360 --> 02:15.240 make it more affordable and more convenient for people 02:15.240 --> 02:17.440 to actually go on a train. 02:17.440 --> 02:21.280 As we've probably heard throughout the day, 02:21.280 --> 02:23.760 so I won't be drawn on about that. 02:24.400 --> 02:26.320 All right, so what's the plan? 02:26.320 --> 02:29.040 So clearly, there was a plan A. 02:29.040 --> 02:33.080 You can assume that plan A was not what happened, 02:33.080 --> 02:38.320 but we have plan A in a draw, and I hope 02:38.320 --> 02:39.520 it's going to happen at some point. 02:39.520 --> 02:44.960 So the idea was, why don't we just charter a whole freaking 02:44.960 --> 02:51.160 train with hackers on it, and just figure out 02:51.160 --> 02:54.680 the route, how we want to get to foster them, 02:54.680 --> 02:58.040 and pick up all these hackers along the way, 02:58.040 --> 03:01.000 and we're going to have, you know, we're going to have a carriage 03:01.000 --> 03:04.160 for hardware hacking, we're going to have a carriage 03:04.160 --> 03:07.720 for networking, and we're going to have a carriage 03:07.720 --> 03:12.200 for dropping that and sleeping. 03:12.200 --> 03:13.360 So that was the big plan. 03:13.360 --> 03:14.760 So yeah, we went. 03:14.760 --> 03:17.240 So there were guys like this guy here, 03:17.240 --> 03:21.000 and a few others in our hackerspace, who 03:21.000 --> 03:23.160 when I presented that last year at Fazem, 03:23.160 --> 03:27.120 I said, you know, completely pine this guy idea, 03:27.120 --> 03:29.520 and they went online, and like five minutes later, 03:29.520 --> 03:31.760 we're like, you actually can. 03:31.760 --> 03:35.560 You're like, okay, let's explore this. 03:35.560 --> 03:38.600 And I have to say, I was not the oldest one in the room. 03:38.600 --> 03:40.720 So I wasn't this side. 03:40.720 --> 03:42.400 There were people who were older than me, 03:42.400 --> 03:44.280 and more experienced on that side, 03:44.280 --> 03:47.240 and was like, please, somebody be the adult in the room. 03:47.240 --> 03:49.360 And the adults in the room were like, 03:49.360 --> 03:51.320 that's a chakul idea. 03:54.320 --> 03:57.920 So, right, so I get into our contact with Slovenian school. 03:57.920 --> 04:01.040 Listen, it's a, they said, oh, that's really funny, 04:01.040 --> 04:03.080 because we know exactly how much it costs 04:03.080 --> 04:05.960 to create a custom line from Ljubljana to Brussels and back, 04:05.960 --> 04:08.520 because somebody was trying to do that a few months ago. 04:13.320 --> 04:16.240 Well, the odds was not about Fazem. 04:16.240 --> 04:18.280 So I know how much it costs, specifically, 04:18.280 --> 04:22.200 I have it to the Euro exact, but it's roughly 96K Euros. 04:22.200 --> 04:26.280 And you got a custom line, and the train stays here, 04:26.280 --> 04:30.240 and then you get the custom route back home. 04:31.480 --> 04:35.240 But it only has seats, it has no electricity on board, 04:35.240 --> 04:36.840 and you have to have, you know, 04:36.840 --> 04:40.000 there's like 200 odd seats that you have to fill. 04:40.000 --> 04:41.880 Which we calculated, like really short, 04:41.880 --> 04:43.480 is like, yeah, that's a bit expensive. 04:44.520 --> 04:45.360 So, no. 04:46.520 --> 04:47.680 Plan B. 04:47.680 --> 04:52.680 The standard obvious solution. 04:52.800 --> 04:56.640 Let's take Slovenian school, Ljubljana to the baby, 04:56.640 --> 05:01.640 maybe Deutsche Mann, and had a question, okay. 05:01.920 --> 05:06.920 And then, just maybe just reserve a carriage. 05:07.280 --> 05:09.360 So, yeah, that's sensible. 05:09.360 --> 05:10.880 So, we started discussing that, 05:10.880 --> 05:13.240 and then there was the chicken and egg problem. 05:13.320 --> 05:16.080 So, which route do we take, 05:17.480 --> 05:19.520 and how many people will be on it, 05:19.520 --> 05:21.240 and you don't know which route you will take, 05:21.240 --> 05:23.880 and how many people will be on it before you know, 05:23.880 --> 05:25.680 which people want to be on it, 05:25.680 --> 05:28.720 and you don't know which people to spam with, 05:28.720 --> 05:31.080 before you know, which route you want to take. 05:31.080 --> 05:34.640 So, while we were chicken and egging, 05:34.640 --> 05:36.400 and also, you know, the reservation 05:36.400 --> 05:38.280 might probably cost us some money. 05:39.480 --> 05:41.600 So, while we were chicken and egging, 05:41.600 --> 05:45.920 somebody from Mitella, which is a hacker space, 05:45.920 --> 05:50.920 and Triasta, said, you know, there's this new company, 05:51.480 --> 05:54.560 that they set up, they're setting up a direct night 05:54.560 --> 05:58.120 friend from Venice to Brussels, and they were like, 05:58.120 --> 06:00.960 oh, yeah, that is so convenient. 06:00.960 --> 06:03.400 So, I rented them up, I sent them an email. 06:05.400 --> 06:07.880 Kudos to the lady, that she actually answered back, 06:07.880 --> 06:11.320 because I was stupid enough to start the email with, 06:11.320 --> 06:13.240 I'm organizing a hacker train. 06:13.240 --> 06:20.240 And I was back then, where the Polish hackers with the train 06:20.240 --> 06:21.960 were still a flesh memory. 06:21.960 --> 06:29.960 So, after I convinced you to actually go on a voice call 06:29.960 --> 06:33.920 with me, we established like, and like the first five minutes 06:33.920 --> 06:36.680 that no, we're not going to the train. 06:38.360 --> 06:41.280 They were very helpful, and it turns out 06:41.280 --> 06:44.200 that we can't take, this late pause this year, 06:44.200 --> 06:48.360 the Venice route, because the Venice route establishes 06:48.360 --> 06:50.640 in three days for the first time, 06:50.640 --> 06:54.240 which is a bit late for pause them, at least this year. 06:54.240 --> 06:57.120 So, but she said, well, but we have, 06:57.120 --> 07:00.080 like, a really nice night train from Prague to Brussels, 07:00.080 --> 07:01.640 and I can look down a Prague, 07:02.920 --> 07:04.920 I said, it's super simple. 07:04.920 --> 07:06.760 We'll just give you a custom booking link, 07:06.760 --> 07:09.800 and you just send the link to whoever, 07:09.800 --> 07:14.560 and once, you know, one or two days before the train leaves, 07:14.560 --> 07:18.040 we'll just squish everybody who used that booking link 07:18.040 --> 07:19.520 into the same part of the train, 07:19.520 --> 07:21.280 so you guys can be together. 07:21.280 --> 07:22.520 Look, okay, that's convenient, 07:22.520 --> 07:24.560 and it's just that I would just give you 10% discount, 07:24.560 --> 07:27.080 because that's a cool idea, like, okay. 07:27.080 --> 07:28.000 So, that's what we did. 07:30.440 --> 07:31.800 How did it actually go? 07:33.200 --> 07:39.200 Numbers are weird, so I spend quite a bit of time spamming 07:39.200 --> 07:42.880 in all sorts of places, including every hacker's place 07:42.880 --> 07:46.520 on hackerspaces.org in the 50 kilometer radius 07:46.520 --> 07:49.120 on the Prague Brussels line. 07:50.880 --> 07:54.760 FSFE was great to include us in their newsletter. 07:54.760 --> 07:57.400 We were featured as one of the Faust and Pringe events, 07:57.400 --> 08:00.760 et cetera, et cetera, which resulted in, 08:00.760 --> 08:02.160 just before the train left, 08:02.160 --> 08:07.160 it was like 2.6,000 unique visitors to the post, 08:07.160 --> 08:09.440 but which described what we are doing. 08:10.880 --> 08:14.880 In turn, resulted in 40 clicks on the actual booking link. 08:15.960 --> 08:18.160 So, European sleeper still does that, 08:18.160 --> 08:21.920 it resulted in 16 to 20 bookings, total, 08:21.920 --> 08:25.280 and, you know, on Monday, 08:26.480 --> 08:28.400 or what it used to, it used on New Tuesday, 08:28.400 --> 08:30.880 they were like, seven people on the actual train. 08:30.880 --> 08:33.760 So, what I suspect is, the way we was set it up 08:33.760 --> 08:38.760 was that you could use the booking link in either direction 08:38.880 --> 08:43.360 and there was like a two weeks before and after window. 08:43.360 --> 08:45.840 So, I'm pretty sure like some people used it to go 08:45.840 --> 08:48.480 like two days before, two days after we went, 08:48.480 --> 08:49.320 which is fine. 08:51.480 --> 08:54.120 So, you know, there was also like, 08:54.120 --> 08:57.400 then asked ourselves, I mean, there's a big difference 08:57.400 --> 08:59.000 between this and this. 08:59.000 --> 09:02.600 I mean, this clearly anecdotal evidence, 09:02.600 --> 09:05.320 but we asked a few of the people who we know, 09:05.320 --> 09:07.600 said no, and there's, you know, 09:07.600 --> 09:10.440 classical answer to expansive two-time consuming. 09:10.440 --> 09:12.000 In Slovenia specifically, 09:12.000 --> 09:14.240 forst them is in the middle of exams season. 09:14.240 --> 09:17.840 So, Yuri is the only one who came 09:17.840 --> 09:20.560 because he managed to organize it, for him, 09:20.560 --> 09:24.920 but most of the other students couldn't. 09:24.920 --> 09:27.800 And what surprised me was that when, 09:27.800 --> 09:30.480 because I was spamming all these hacker spaces, 09:31.040 --> 09:33.360 quite a few answers I got was the hacker spaces, 09:33.360 --> 09:34.520 just don't go to foster them, 09:34.520 --> 09:36.480 which surprised me to be honest. 09:36.480 --> 09:40.360 I mean, this might need further investigation. 09:40.360 --> 09:43.120 But not for me, that's some other question. 09:43.120 --> 09:47.600 So, we heard earlier today, also that, yes, you know, 09:47.600 --> 09:50.880 it's more convenient, it's faster, et cetera, et cetera, 09:50.880 --> 09:53.240 et cetera, to go with other ways. 09:53.240 --> 09:56.400 And this year we made a comparison 09:56.400 --> 09:59.280 because some of us, the seven of us, 09:59.280 --> 10:04.280 went with the option A, so plan C, that we did. 10:05.280 --> 10:10.280 And a different colleague, when the standard route, 10:10.280 --> 10:13.600 like, went through with Ebib, 10:13.600 --> 10:15.760 and Yuri, because of time constraints, 10:15.760 --> 10:20.760 because of exams, had to take the train. 10:21.760 --> 10:25.720 And so this is like a typical way how you would go 10:25.720 --> 10:28.800 if you're in a hurry, and on a budget, 10:28.800 --> 10:32.040 from Lublana to Brussels. 10:32.040 --> 10:34.160 And the other two are just like option A 10:34.160 --> 10:36.880 and option B when it comes to a night train. 10:36.880 --> 10:39.520 I don't think that's a huge difference, 10:39.520 --> 10:42.200 especially if you count just that day-time travel, 10:42.200 --> 10:44.640 instead of the whole travel. 10:48.120 --> 10:50.600 So that was interesting, but yeah, 10:50.600 --> 10:52.440 so how did train actually go? 10:52.440 --> 10:54.520 And this is where the duck comes in. 10:54.520 --> 10:59.520 So this is a picture from the train station in Prague 11:04.440 --> 11:06.960 about an hour before we left, 11:06.960 --> 11:10.200 where me and Leon back then, 11:10.200 --> 11:13.840 they were sitting at the cafe and with together with the duck. 11:13.840 --> 11:17.600 And we were like, is anybody actually going to show up? 11:17.600 --> 11:20.360 Just nobody told us they're going to show the only one 11:20.360 --> 11:24.000 we heard about showing up was a lady from Tennessee, 11:24.000 --> 11:25.960 who said she's going to go. 11:25.960 --> 11:29.360 And then she emailed us the day before that her plane 11:29.360 --> 11:32.560 is late, and she's not going to be able to go with us. 11:32.560 --> 11:35.720 And we're like, it's just me, you went the duck, mate. 11:38.720 --> 11:40.000 But people did show up. 11:40.000 --> 11:41.920 So this had ultimately the way we were seven. 11:41.920 --> 11:46.760 So this was the train, the second from the bottom. 11:46.760 --> 11:47.920 This is how the train looked like. 11:47.920 --> 11:51.480 It was a bit old, but inside it was okay. 11:54.000 --> 12:00.600 And yeah, so we were like, the duck was there 12:00.600 --> 12:05.960 to show people where the official meeting place is. 12:05.960 --> 12:09.520 This was the most comfortable way we could find 12:09.520 --> 12:12.520 to get the poor duckie. 12:12.520 --> 12:15.680 But it hit at his job. 12:15.680 --> 12:19.200 So this is where we were actually meeting 12:19.200 --> 12:22.240 until what, like, one, 30 in the evening, 12:22.240 --> 12:25.080 and then we went to sleep. 12:25.080 --> 12:26.960 So yeah, that's the crew. 12:26.960 --> 12:28.320 That's the crew from another angle. 12:28.320 --> 12:30.680 It's still the same people. 12:30.680 --> 12:34.960 So we're only seven and a duck. 12:34.960 --> 12:39.080 We did have an unconference on it. 12:39.080 --> 12:43.080 So we discussed quite a lot of things, as I said. 12:43.080 --> 12:45.280 We were up until very late in the evening, 12:45.280 --> 12:49.280 and then honestly, like next day, when we went off the train, 12:49.280 --> 12:52.600 we still hung out together for quite some time, 12:52.600 --> 12:54.680 and we created the chat room group, 12:54.680 --> 12:58.160 and we ordinated to show each other, where to go, 12:58.160 --> 12:59.160 what to see each other. 12:59.160 --> 13:02.640 It was great. 13:02.640 --> 13:07.280 So yeah, I mean, there are some lessons to be learned, of course, 13:07.280 --> 13:13.280 for organizers, which in this case was me. 13:13.280 --> 13:18.280 We figured out that instant the chat groups 13:18.280 --> 13:21.840 and direct nails to other organizers are much more efficient 13:21.840 --> 13:25.720 than sending things to official mailing lists. 13:25.720 --> 13:27.480 So a mailing list of a hacker space 13:27.480 --> 13:31.440 was basically a black hole. 13:31.440 --> 13:33.720 I don't think we, at least from what we could tell, 13:33.720 --> 13:36.400 we didn't get any reply from any of the mailing lists 13:36.400 --> 13:39.280 with an mailing list to mail to. 13:39.280 --> 13:41.120 I short about, would have been really nice, 13:41.120 --> 13:44.000 especially for me, and loud and back there. 13:44.000 --> 13:53.000 And yeah, although as I showed, it's not much more expensive. 13:54.360 --> 13:56.840 It would still be really nice if we could subsidize 13:56.840 --> 14:01.160 the trip for those who have a harder time paying something 14:01.160 --> 14:03.160 for that, so sponsors would be nice. 14:03.160 --> 14:08.440 King Finne, and something that we also noticed 14:08.440 --> 14:12.760 was that there were several people who, you know, 14:12.840 --> 14:19.160 we went pretty early because of the fringe events. 14:19.160 --> 14:21.960 And I'll be honest, I mean, I had some fringe events 14:21.960 --> 14:24.440 I had to be on, so I just said, well, 14:24.440 --> 14:26.040 let me know, although we did have a vote. 14:26.040 --> 14:29.440 We did have a public vote on when we're going. 14:29.440 --> 14:31.680 It just happened to my choice one. 14:35.680 --> 14:39.520 But yeah, it would be, so I know that some people 14:39.520 --> 14:43.480 and a few days after, on the same route, 14:43.480 --> 14:45.520 and I know that some people wanted to go, 14:45.520 --> 14:47.560 but there would have been on a different route. 14:47.560 --> 14:50.960 So if we had more resources, like more people 14:50.960 --> 14:56.560 volunteer in, et cetera, we could maybe do different spokes 14:56.560 --> 15:00.000 or different times, and I would have been cool. 15:00.000 --> 15:02.960 And if anybody wants to do the same thing for CCC 15:02.960 --> 15:07.960 or some other conference, very happy to share one another. 15:09.880 --> 15:12.120 But I'm not going to do it. 15:12.120 --> 15:16.240 And yeah, some suggestions, also, for, you know, 15:16.240 --> 15:18.880 railway companies, et cetera, et cetera, 15:18.880 --> 15:20.720 is an important part here. 15:20.720 --> 15:22.760 I'm not going to draw on about booking, 15:22.760 --> 15:24.040 making booking easier. 15:24.040 --> 15:26.920 There's several things about making booking easier 15:26.920 --> 15:28.240 would have helped us. 15:28.240 --> 15:33.040 And the European Planner project, if I knew about that, 15:33.040 --> 15:38.480 we might have done things differently. 15:38.480 --> 15:45.200 But just as an anecdote, it took me, last time, 15:45.200 --> 15:52.200 to convince the scared lady on over voice over IP, 15:52.200 --> 15:55.200 from, no, we're not hacking your train. 15:55.200 --> 15:59.600 To, oh, great, here's a booking link. 15:59.600 --> 16:01.160 Everything is sorted. 16:01.160 --> 16:05.400 Then it took me to go to the kind lady behind the landscape. 16:05.400 --> 16:10.040 She lives in the counter and got my own ticket, 16:10.040 --> 16:14.120 just want ticket from Lubliana to Prague, to be on time. 16:14.120 --> 16:16.880 And even then, and then we got into the laser 16:16.880 --> 16:21.160 a pain and December schedule changes a pain. 16:21.160 --> 16:24.480 As if those two things didn't happen, me and I, me and Leon, 16:24.480 --> 16:28.360 wouldn't have to stay overnight in Prague. 16:28.360 --> 16:30.400 We could have done that in a one day trip, 16:30.400 --> 16:33.840 instead of staying in Prague for an X-ray, which was nice 16:33.840 --> 16:37.360 because we visited some hackerspaces in Prague, but still. 16:40.640 --> 16:41.240 And that's it. 16:41.240 --> 16:45.480 So, you know, what about the future? 16:45.480 --> 16:48.320 Honestly, it depends on you. 16:48.320 --> 16:51.520 It was, I was spent, I'm spent. 16:51.520 --> 16:54.000 But it was fun enough. 16:54.000 --> 16:57.800 So, we're doing an interest check for next year. 16:57.800 --> 17:03.120 And it's a bit more structured, surveys, a very short, 17:03.120 --> 17:04.760 but more structured surveys. 17:04.760 --> 17:06.800 So, we can know how many people want to go 17:06.800 --> 17:09.760 and where they would like to start. 17:09.760 --> 17:11.920 And when they would like to go, 17:11.920 --> 17:14.800 and then we'll see what's the interest. 17:14.800 --> 17:18.120 And then hopefully we can use some better tooling already 17:18.120 --> 17:23.120 to find a route, that's basically it for me. 17:23.840 --> 17:26.760 I'll leave this QR open so people can scan it. 17:33.120 --> 17:37.160 QR question. 17:37.160 --> 17:41.720 I think that the day is amazing since I've been arriving in Ross 17:41.720 --> 17:44.360 and for me, I'll leave it by train, 17:44.360 --> 17:46.160 I don't know, like a pain. 17:46.160 --> 17:47.360 Let's have a change. 17:47.360 --> 17:50.880 And my question is, we did the same for the line. 17:50.880 --> 17:53.360 We talked about Dr. Sino-Kamit, but I don't have it. 17:53.360 --> 17:57.480 So, come again, I didn't, I just didn't hear the last two, three words. 17:57.480 --> 18:00.680 We'll do this same initiative for upstream 18:00.680 --> 18:02.480 to do what I can see here. 18:02.480 --> 18:05.040 Can't do why it can't happen. 18:05.040 --> 18:07.040 How far or more I can, so they're following now, 18:07.040 --> 18:10.640 about what it is that I can't do. 18:10.640 --> 18:12.240 We come to the problem again. 18:12.240 --> 18:13.520 I have a full-time job. 18:13.520 --> 18:15.360 I'm helping run a hacker space. 18:15.360 --> 18:19.160 I do all sorts of other stuff. 18:19.160 --> 18:20.080 I wouldn't. 18:20.080 --> 18:24.200 I would very gladly help whoever wants to do that. 18:24.200 --> 18:26.520 As I said, we have a domain now. 18:26.520 --> 18:29.160 We don't do anything with the domain other 18:29.160 --> 18:36.800 than rerouting to my next cloud to do this. 18:36.800 --> 18:40.520 But if anybody volunteers to do that, I'm happy to share what 18:40.520 --> 18:43.360 I know, and I'm happy to help, however I can. 18:43.360 --> 18:46.760 But I don't think I'll be going on why, 18:46.760 --> 18:48.200 because of time constraints. 18:48.200 --> 18:52.600 But yeah, if you tag yourself, mention 18:52.600 --> 18:57.480 that you would like to have this and just check the boxes 18:57.480 --> 19:00.440 which you would like, or could help with. 19:00.440 --> 19:02.720 If you know, there's also some checkboxes, 19:02.720 --> 19:08.160 what you could help with if you want to. 19:08.160 --> 19:13.680 So the question was, would we do this for why it can't. 19:17.680 --> 19:19.600 My questions could make sense 19:19.600 --> 19:21.240 at some kind of virtual act of way, 19:21.240 --> 19:23.240 because you will always have to solve them 19:23.240 --> 19:26.080 because everyone is going from everywhere. 19:26.080 --> 19:28.160 But in our case, it would have been nice 19:28.160 --> 19:31.600 to play with Mita on the way from Colom to Brussels. 19:31.600 --> 19:34.960 So that we have just one part together 19:34.960 --> 19:38.040 where Mita people who have quite like here 19:38.040 --> 19:41.200 on the same thing with you too. 19:41.200 --> 19:44.720 So how can I summarize this question? 19:44.720 --> 19:47.160 So the question was, would it make sense 19:47.160 --> 19:52.440 to do it more of a virtual way, to just 19:52.440 --> 19:56.520 and we kind of did that. 19:56.520 --> 20:01.080 So there was in the forum thread where we discussed 20:01.080 --> 20:03.080 where we discussed the situation. 20:03.080 --> 20:09.280 We also said that you can use the prevailing app. 20:09.280 --> 20:12.360 And you can check the there that you want you traveling 20:12.360 --> 20:13.640 that you're traveling to Phosdom, 20:13.640 --> 20:17.160 and that people who are not on the official hacker train 20:17.160 --> 20:19.960 to Phosdom can coordinate that way, 20:19.960 --> 20:22.360 or use the forum to coordinate, 20:22.360 --> 20:26.680 so say, well, we're on that route, let's get together. 20:26.680 --> 20:29.200 So that would make sense, yeah. 20:29.200 --> 20:30.200 We tried that. 20:30.200 --> 20:32.240 I don't know how many people did it. 20:32.240 --> 20:34.760 I know that there's a group of people who are 20:34.760 --> 20:36.920 when two days after us, 20:36.920 --> 20:40.120 but they were a group of people already before. 20:40.120 --> 20:42.880 So I'm sorry, we are at a lot of time 20:42.880 --> 20:47.320 they need to clean up the room and thank you. 20:47.320 --> 20:48.320 Thank you. 20:48.320 --> 20:49.320 Thank you.