WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:29.000 Thank you all for coming here, I'm John Samuel and I'm going to present a talk on from open collaboration to customized control, transitioning from Wikipedia to Wikipedia. 00:29.000 --> 00:35.000 Just to give a quick idea about what you can expect from this talk. 00:35.000 --> 00:42.000 So basically, I want to focus on open collaboration and self-hosted data management. 00:42.000 --> 00:45.000 So these are the two points that I want to focus on. 00:45.000 --> 00:49.000 Then you can see some sort of flexibility and integration. 00:49.000 --> 00:53.000 And the question that I want to ask in this talk is why Wikipedia's, 00:53.000 --> 00:59.000 you may have heard about Wikipedia, if you haven't, I will give a small introduction. 00:59.000 --> 01:03.000 So Wikipedia is something which is open, multilingual and collaborative. 01:03.000 --> 01:09.000 And then there is Wikipedia, that's going to be useful for your specific data needs. 01:09.000 --> 01:13.000 So this is what I'm going to talk about in this talk. 01:13.000 --> 01:17.000 So just to give a quick presentation, I am... 01:18.000 --> 01:19.000 Sorry. 01:19.000 --> 01:20.000 Yeah. 01:20.000 --> 01:24.000 I'm associate professor in C.P. Leo in France. 01:24.000 --> 01:27.000 And I work on software design and big data. 01:27.000 --> 01:29.000 That's my area of teaching. 01:29.000 --> 01:34.000 And I'm an active contributor in Wikim data and Wikimedia comments. 01:34.000 --> 01:39.000 Basically, I work a lot on knowledge representation and data analysis. 01:39.000 --> 01:43.000 And I'm very much interested in integrating data from different sources. 01:43.000 --> 01:46.000 And that's also my PhD thesis. 01:46.000 --> 01:48.000 So what's Wikipedia? 01:48.000 --> 01:51.000 I do not know how many of you know about Wikidata. 01:51.000 --> 01:57.000 Wikidata is a sister project of Wikimedia, which was launched in 2012. 01:57.000 --> 02:02.000 And it's a collaborative project which was aimed to create structure and link knowledge base. 02:02.000 --> 02:04.000 So it basically is a free and open. 02:04.000 --> 02:07.000 Then exactly like Wikipedia. 02:07.000 --> 02:13.000 And then you have something that's very interesting that this is a linked and a structured knowledge base. 02:13.000 --> 02:18.000 You can still have the collaborative aspects of Wikipedia. 02:18.000 --> 02:21.000 And you can have you have something that's multi-lingual. 02:21.000 --> 02:24.000 That's the best part of Wikidata. 02:24.000 --> 02:27.000 So what's so special about Wikidata? 02:27.000 --> 02:29.000 There are many advantages. 02:29.000 --> 02:32.000 You can talk hard on this topic. 02:32.000 --> 02:37.000 But what I really love about Wikidata is the evolution of Wikidata. 02:37.000 --> 02:40.000 Sorry, evolution of the Wikimedia projects. 02:40.000 --> 02:48.000 You have got a lot of Wikimedia sites for each and every language and on multiple sub domains. 02:48.000 --> 02:51.000 And here in case of Wikidata, you have a single domain. 02:51.000 --> 02:55.000 And you can get the data in all the languages. 02:55.000 --> 03:00.000 So to give you more precise, I have taken certain examples. 03:00.000 --> 03:05.000 Here, for example, this is a cat. 03:06.000 --> 03:11.000 And you can see that in this example, you have cat in different languages. 03:11.000 --> 03:13.000 You have an English cat. 03:13.000 --> 03:18.000 You have in French, Shah, in Spanish, Gato, etc. 03:18.000 --> 03:24.000 On the other side, on the right hand side, you can see there's one single number that is Q1 for this. 03:24.000 --> 03:27.000 And that is going to be used to refer to cat. 03:27.000 --> 03:34.000 Similarly, for example, example, the word example has been translated in different Wikipedia pages. 03:34.000 --> 03:39.000 But on the other side, you have a single entry, and you can use this page. 03:39.000 --> 03:44.000 Same for the place where I come live currently. 03:44.000 --> 03:50.000 And you have multiple pages, but you have a single entry on the Wikidata side. 03:50.000 --> 03:52.000 So let's take some simple examples. 03:52.000 --> 04:00.000 If you have never heard about Wikidata, I want you to, if you are on Wikipedia, 04:00.000 --> 04:03.000 you can test, go to Wikidia for us then. 04:03.000 --> 04:06.000 And you see this page on Wikipedia. 04:06.000 --> 04:09.000 Now you're wondering where I can find Wikidata. 04:09.000 --> 04:17.000 So if you can see, carefully, this is quite weird. 04:17.000 --> 04:23.000 On the right hand side, you have got a toolbar on that side. 04:23.000 --> 04:29.000 And then you have some other options where you can see in other projects. 04:29.000 --> 04:33.000 Wikidia comments, media, Wikidata, and there you are. 04:33.000 --> 04:35.000 You have got the Wikidata item. 04:35.000 --> 04:40.000 So when you click on the Wikidata item, you come to this page on Fosdem. 04:40.000 --> 04:42.000 So you have a Fosdem entry. 04:42.000 --> 04:47.000 Please be careful that from now onwards, we're not going to just talk about Fosdem. 04:47.000 --> 04:54.000 We're also going to refer Fosdem from its identity fire, which is Q475430. 04:54.000 --> 05:02.000 And we are going to talk about all these aspects of Fosdem from this particular point. 05:02.000 --> 05:06.000 And I will talk about the structure data perspective. 05:06.000 --> 05:09.000 Sorry, I have no clue. 05:09.000 --> 05:16.000 Yeah, so why did we come up with Wikidata and what was already there? 05:16.000 --> 05:22.000 So before Wikidata, people were actually putting lots of information on Wikidata. 05:22.000 --> 05:27.000 So I'm going to keep on Wikipedia in form of info boxes. 05:27.000 --> 05:31.000 And where you put essential information, like for example, you are a software. 05:31.000 --> 05:36.000 You talk about the licenses, the logos, et cetera, on the official websites. 05:36.000 --> 05:41.000 Or about if you are talking about human beings or actors, you have those information like data, 05:41.000 --> 05:43.000 birth, location, statistics, et cetera. 05:43.000 --> 05:46.000 So you have got lots of such information. 05:46.000 --> 05:51.000 And sometimes you also have links on Wikidata, depending on the projects where you're working at. 05:52.000 --> 05:58.000 And now what we can see on this side, I'm trying to show you three examples. 05:58.000 --> 06:01.000 This is the English Wikipedia page. 06:01.000 --> 06:05.000 Please check always the right hand side of my presentation. 06:05.000 --> 06:12.000 You have got the info box with lots of information, general, the type of conference, the location, the concrete, et cetera. 06:12.000 --> 06:14.000 Now I move on to the French Wikipedia. 06:14.000 --> 06:21.000 You see the number of information is a bit reduced. 06:21.000 --> 06:28.000 And you have done have all those information in their info box because the community has decided not to document all the information. 06:28.000 --> 06:31.000 That's up to the community, the French language community. 06:31.000 --> 06:35.000 And then now what I go now is to the Spanish Wikipedia. 06:35.000 --> 06:41.000 And you see, again, they have got a bit surprised. 06:41.000 --> 06:51.000 They have got lots of information on Wikidata, on false them, really, to the conference. 06:51.000 --> 06:54.000 So it's community had decided lots of information. 06:54.000 --> 07:05.000 It's good you have lots of information about these of the false conference and people can get a quick idea, just by looking at info box. 07:05.000 --> 07:10.000 This is a very nice idea about info boxes. 07:10.000 --> 07:14.000 So one thing about info boxes is very accessible. 07:14.000 --> 07:24.000 You can create a uniform information for different topics like cities, human beings, actors, scientists, etc. 07:24.000 --> 07:29.000 You can allow collaborative updates and you can also link them to Wikidata. 07:29.000 --> 07:30.000 And that's really interesting. 07:30.000 --> 07:32.000 But there is a simple problem. 07:32.000 --> 07:35.000 This is something that I normally show to my students. 07:35.000 --> 07:41.000 I have taken, this is a screenshot of my, one of my talks, one of my classes. 07:41.000 --> 07:51.000 I explained to my students the problem related to having multiple information in the info boxes when it's not controlled easily. 07:51.000 --> 07:57.000 You have got the population information and if you see carefully, not on different Wikipedia's. 07:57.000 --> 08:03.000 Wikipedias, this information is not up to detail in Wikipedias information from 2009. 08:03.000 --> 08:06.000 Whereas other Wikipedias have information. 08:06.000 --> 08:09.000 I have the latest information, like for example, 2015. 08:09.000 --> 08:11.000 So this is a major problem. 08:11.000 --> 08:18.000 So you do people who are, you know, Italian speaking, do not get the latest information from Wikipedia. 08:18.000 --> 08:20.000 And it's not a good idea. 08:20.000 --> 08:26.000 So one way to think about this is let's take this information directly from Wikidata. 08:26.000 --> 08:28.000 And feed it to the information. 08:28.000 --> 08:31.000 But again, of course, it has to be decided by the community. 08:31.000 --> 08:34.000 Every language community has to make a decision. 08:34.000 --> 08:41.000 For example, French language community has accepted to integrate it to many, many of their Wikipedia pages. 08:41.000 --> 08:44.000 But and Spanish and also many other Wikipedia communities. 08:44.000 --> 08:47.000 But not all languages just to be frank. 08:47.000 --> 08:53.000 So you, what, so you can one can say that, okay, this is good to have info boxes. 08:53.000 --> 08:56.000 But you know that there are multiple info boxes. 08:56.000 --> 09:00.000 You have the problem of redundant information, different languages. 09:00.000 --> 09:07.000 And you cannot ensure an up to date information on all the Wikipedia. 09:07.000 --> 09:12.000 So we have got an idea that this is really impressed, important. 09:12.000 --> 09:22.000 So we have to have Wikidata, somehow which can be used to document lots of information. 09:22.000 --> 09:26.000 And here what I'm talking about is this I'm coming back to first him. 09:26.000 --> 09:28.000 I'm taking the exact examples. 09:28.000 --> 09:31.000 So as you can see on Wikidata you have got different languages. 09:31.000 --> 09:33.000 You have got the labels in different languages. 09:33.000 --> 09:36.000 You have got the small description in different languages. 09:36.000 --> 09:38.000 And also as well as the aliases. 09:38.000 --> 09:45.000 So what happens is that once you have translated one particular item, you need not translate again and again and again. 09:45.000 --> 09:51.000 You just have to say, give me the label of French, give me the French label for this particular item. 09:51.000 --> 09:53.000 And you get the information. 09:53.000 --> 09:55.000 This is really useful. 09:55.000 --> 10:00.000 And then we can talk about the properties. 10:00.000 --> 10:07.000 For example, are these things that can be used to describe our entity. 10:07.000 --> 10:11.000 So you have got the data operation of first them. 10:11.000 --> 10:13.000 You have got the local image. 10:13.000 --> 10:19.000 You have got the images from the from the first them again on the same page. 10:20.000 --> 10:22.000 So these are the properties. 10:22.000 --> 10:24.000 These have been decided by the community. 10:24.000 --> 10:29.000 Wikidata community and they identified these properties to describe first them. 10:29.000 --> 10:33.000 And so I want to give this example. 10:33.000 --> 10:37.000 I want to use this example throughout my presentation. 10:37.000 --> 10:39.000 So what did the community decide? 10:39.000 --> 10:44.000 The Wikidata community decided that for explaining conferences like first them. 10:44.000 --> 10:48.000 And have used some sort of concepts. 10:48.000 --> 10:52.000 For example, instance of it is like for example, 10:52.000 --> 10:54.000 first them is an annual conference. 10:54.000 --> 10:56.000 First them is a convention series. 10:56.000 --> 10:58.000 First them is a recurring event. 10:58.000 --> 11:02.000 And the date of creation, the location, the continent and the country. 11:02.000 --> 11:05.000 This is what we want to describe and we want to use it. 11:05.000 --> 11:07.000 But this is only English. 11:07.000 --> 11:10.000 We want to do it in all the languages. 11:10.000 --> 11:11.000 So there we go. 11:11.000 --> 11:16.000 Now you have got the properties instead of saying instance. 11:16.000 --> 11:21.000 So we're going to say it's p31 and we say it's whenever I say p31. 11:21.000 --> 11:25.000 It means I have to talk I am talking about instance of. 11:25.000 --> 11:28.000 And whenever I say p17, I'm talking about the country. 11:28.000 --> 11:30.000 So that's the advantage. 11:30.000 --> 11:34.000 So it's English label for the p70. 11:34.000 --> 11:42.000 And now that's the label side. 11:42.000 --> 11:46.000 Again for each and every aspect, we have got the labels. 11:46.000 --> 11:49.000 Sorry, the identity fires for each concept. 11:49.000 --> 11:52.000 Please note we will reuse this number. 11:52.000 --> 11:54.000 Q 5 6 2 blah blah blah. 11:54.000 --> 11:56.000 Later in the example. 11:56.000 --> 12:01.000 And this is very useful because we can say that it's an annual conference. 12:01.000 --> 12:06.000 This is a conference series and you have a label for an identity fire for all of these. 12:06.000 --> 12:16.000 Please also note that there's piece of Stanford properties and Q for the normal items. 12:16.000 --> 12:21.000 Now we have got this type of information on wiki data. 12:21.000 --> 12:23.000 We can represent this information. 12:23.000 --> 12:25.000 We can use the properties. 12:25.000 --> 12:28.000 We can also use qualifiers. 12:28.000 --> 12:31.000 For example, if you want to give additional information. 12:31.000 --> 12:38.000 How precise is your date or how did you get this information? 12:38.000 --> 12:40.000 Is it a census method? 12:40.000 --> 12:42.000 You can add additional information. 12:42.000 --> 12:47.000 And of course, just like Wikipedia, you can talk about or you have to add references. 12:47.000 --> 12:55.000 So you can also add additional information about each and every aspect that has been mentioned on the previous slide. 12:55.000 --> 12:59.000 So this is a very important example. 12:59.000 --> 13:07.000 Finally, one thing that is very important is that an item on wiki data is just a loan. 13:07.000 --> 13:12.000 We want to create a system where everything is linked with other databases. 13:12.000 --> 13:18.000 So here what you can see if you are still on the wiki page of the first name. 13:18.000 --> 13:24.000 You see additional identifier, for example, BabelNet, ID, freebase, ID, Instagram, username, 13:24.000 --> 13:26.000 MasterDone, address, etc. 13:26.000 --> 13:29.000 So all these is additional information. 13:29.000 --> 13:36.000 And all these also links your data to other additional open databases. 13:36.000 --> 13:47.000 And then you can, if you don't have all the information on wiki data, you can also use these data from other sources to create an integrated view of the particular entity. 13:47.000 --> 13:55.000 Now, what this is not a new concept, this has been studied a lot in the context of linked open data. 13:55.000 --> 14:05.000 People have been thinking about how we can use all this open databases and link them together so that whenever we want to do certain analysis, 14:05.000 --> 14:12.000 we can use all these databases, get them from a relevant information and use it for a whenever needed. 14:12.000 --> 14:17.000 So link the open data requires certain conditions. 14:17.000 --> 14:20.000 First thing is that you need to have unique identifier. 14:20.000 --> 14:25.000 So you have seen that in case of wiki data, you have those unique identifiers. 14:25.000 --> 14:33.000 You have got the data in a form of principles, for example, stopject, predicate, and object, for example, when I said, 14:33.000 --> 14:38.000 then, inception, February 20, 2001, etc. 14:38.000 --> 14:42.000 So you have your straightforward, the triple way of information. 14:42.000 --> 14:50.000 And finally, something, this cost-packed protocol, where you can use this protocol to query the data from these systems. 14:50.000 --> 15:01.000 This is really important because we are ensuring the open landscape in the whole, whole data analysis. 15:01.000 --> 15:09.000 So just to give you an idea, you will see, you see what happened in 2009. 15:09.000 --> 15:13.000 Initially when LOD started, people started linking their database. 15:13.000 --> 15:15.000 This is just the initial aspect. 15:15.000 --> 15:25.000 And then suddenly, in 2010, people understood the importance of linking their databases together and have more data about a particular entity. 15:25.000 --> 15:31.000 And so we have something like that in 2008, all those circles are databases, open databases. 15:31.000 --> 15:43.000 And this is from 2024, you see the October 2024, you see there is an explosion of open databases, databases, and all of them decided to link each other. 15:43.000 --> 15:47.000 And this is really interesting because you can get additional information. 15:47.000 --> 15:53.000 One thing that I want to also talk about is the Sparkle Protocol. 15:53.000 --> 16:01.000 For example, in this case, what we can see is that once you have represented your data, you can also query the data. 16:01.000 --> 16:07.000 Like for example, give me all the annual conferences that's happening every year in the world. 16:07.000 --> 16:09.000 This is a simple thing. 16:09.000 --> 16:13.000 As I told you, please remember the number. 16:13.000 --> 16:21.000 For Q5, 6 to it corresponds to annual conference and P31 corresponds to instance of. 16:21.000 --> 16:29.000 Just by writing this on WIKI data, you can get all the annual conferences around the world, just by this simple land. 16:29.000 --> 16:33.000 So this is a really interesting aspect of WIKI data. 16:33.000 --> 16:43.000 So forget, now that's really about WIKI data, but why what's about WIKI base? Why do I talk about WIKI base? 16:43.000 --> 16:51.000 So when you work with WIKI data, as you know that when you have your WIKI PD, you have got lots of community-based decisions, 16:51.000 --> 16:57.000 not everything can be so easy to handle, for example, if you want to create new properties, 16:57.000 --> 17:05.000 you want to add certain information, you cannot easily add them because the community decides what is relevant and what is not relevant, 17:05.000 --> 17:07.000 what is notable, what is notable, etc. 17:07.000 --> 17:16.000 So one thing that is what I want to focus about is what if I get all those things that are possible with WIKI data, 17:16.000 --> 17:20.000 and I have this additional thing self-hosted instance. 17:20.000 --> 17:26.000 That is that I have everything that I can do with WIKI data, but it's my own local instance, 17:26.000 --> 17:32.000 and where I can do things like that, but I will have the complete control over my data. 17:32.000 --> 17:36.000 So this is what I'm going to talk about when the WIKI base perspective. 17:36.000 --> 17:48.000 One thing that you would like to do in case of such a work is that you need to have licenses that are correct to your institutions license, 17:48.000 --> 17:51.000 or correct to your personal needs. 17:51.000 --> 17:52.000 So license is important. 17:52.000 --> 17:56.000 By default, the license of WIKI data is CC0. 17:56.000 --> 18:00.000 It's like almost equivalent to the public domain, but with the license. 18:00.000 --> 18:07.000 But maybe in real life, you cannot do that because of certain regulation by institutions, 18:07.000 --> 18:12.000 you have some client's force to use CC by NC and SA, etc. 18:12.000 --> 18:17.000 So you have to decide, so you have to make a compromise and you say, 18:17.000 --> 18:22.000 okay, I will use CC by NC and I will use WIKI base. 18:22.000 --> 18:27.000 I do not want to go in detail about the openness of these licenses, 18:27.000 --> 18:33.000 but in the bottom you have the copyright and the top you have the CC0. 18:33.000 --> 18:38.000 So let's go back to the same example. 18:38.000 --> 18:42.000 If I want to say that I do not want to, if my own WIKI data, 18:42.000 --> 18:46.000 I want to do something that is not possible and WIKI data. 18:46.000 --> 18:48.000 I want to do something in my side. 18:48.000 --> 18:51.000 So I said, let's remove convention cities. 18:51.000 --> 18:52.000 I don't care. 18:52.000 --> 18:55.000 I'll remove it because it's my day instance, my own database. 18:55.000 --> 18:58.000 And then I want to add something called video. 18:58.000 --> 19:01.000 And in this case, this video is linked to the force name website. 19:01.000 --> 19:07.000 It's not a link to certain restrictions or proposed by the WIKI data company. 19:07.000 --> 19:11.000 It's just my own links is on my database, so I want to do this. 19:11.000 --> 19:13.000 So this is possible. 19:13.000 --> 19:19.000 So what I want to show is that I want to give you a personal example. 19:19.000 --> 19:25.000 In this case, I have written an article for example back in 2015. 19:25.000 --> 19:30.000 It's an opinion article where I said, I need to think reading the command line. 19:30.000 --> 19:35.000 And in that case, I created a database and I want to, it's not notable. 19:35.000 --> 19:40.000 I cannot put it on WIKI data, but I want to create my own WIKI base. 19:40.000 --> 19:43.000 And I created this page with all my own information. 19:43.000 --> 19:45.000 Where I said, I want to talk about this page. 19:45.000 --> 19:49.000 This is title, language of work, instance of creation, etc. 19:49.000 --> 19:54.000 And all these are my own properties and all these are my own items. 19:54.000 --> 19:57.000 They are not related to WIKI data. 19:57.000 --> 19:59.000 And this is for example my core page. 19:59.000 --> 20:03.000 And I want to include information, French and English. 20:03.000 --> 20:07.000 For example, the title, the language of work, the nature of element, etc. 20:07.000 --> 20:12.000 And it's the WIKI base, as you see, it's exactly like the WIKI data. 20:12.000 --> 20:17.000 And now what I want to do is I want to also link it to WIKI data. 20:17.000 --> 20:22.000 Because as I said, my goal ultimate goal is not to just be alone in my core, 20:22.000 --> 20:27.000 but allow the open landscape where people who want to use my data can use it, 20:27.000 --> 20:30.000 but also can see what is the equivalent property. 20:31.000 --> 20:39.000 For example, P27, my WIKI base instance is the same as P1476 in the WIKI data community. 20:39.000 --> 20:44.000 And same for other things you can create equivalent properties, etc. 20:44.000 --> 20:46.000 And what's the advantage? 20:46.000 --> 20:49.000 So you can get all the properties with this example. 20:49.000 --> 20:53.000 So what's the advantage with this? 20:53.000 --> 20:58.000 So I can say, give me all my courses sorted by Academy here. 20:58.000 --> 21:00.000 This is my personal information. 21:00.000 --> 21:04.000 And it's just coming from my own WIKI base cloud. 21:04.000 --> 21:06.000 It's nothing from the WIKI data. 21:06.000 --> 21:08.000 This is my own information. 21:08.000 --> 21:14.000 But at the same time, I can also say, I want to link my data to WIKI data. 21:14.000 --> 21:16.000 For example, oops. 21:16.000 --> 21:19.000 And I also get information from WIKI data. 21:19.000 --> 21:22.000 For example, I'm trying to get all the translation, 21:22.000 --> 21:27.000 all the information related to official website from WIKI data. 21:27.000 --> 21:32.000 And this is my WIKI base, and I'm also getting data from WIKI data on my side. 21:32.000 --> 21:38.000 So trying to be integrating more and more data from open databases. 21:38.000 --> 21:42.000 If you want to feel interested, you can try WIKI base.cloud. 21:42.000 --> 21:45.000 This is something that I use for my personal lead. 21:45.000 --> 21:51.000 If you are really WIKI enough, you can use the Docker images of WIKI base. 21:51.000 --> 21:54.000 If you want to do it on your own side, it's also possible. 21:54.000 --> 21:57.000 There are so many people who have used these things. 21:57.000 --> 22:02.000 Like, there are already 744 open databases. 22:02.000 --> 22:11.000 And what I wanted to talk about in this talk is that you can use WIKI base for personal or institutional. 22:11.000 --> 22:16.000 Especially if you are in the glam field or in the museum, especially museums. 22:16.000 --> 22:21.000 You do not cannot put everything on open with open licenses. 22:21.000 --> 22:27.000 Or if you are in working with the personal data, you can use your own WIKI base. 22:27.000 --> 22:30.000 So these are some of the online resources. 22:30.000 --> 22:32.000 And thank you. 22:38.000 --> 22:39.000 Thank you very much. 22:39.000 --> 22:43.000 Any questions? Any questions? 22:43.000 --> 22:46.000 No? Okay. Great. Thank you. 22:46.000 --> 22:48.000 Thank you. 22:49.000 --> 22:51.000 There is. Sorry. 23:01.000 --> 23:06.000 I was wondering that it may be more related to WIKI data. 23:06.000 --> 23:11.000 What the condition to make new data in WIKI data? 23:11.000 --> 23:16.000 Because I know on WIKI, you cannot just open a page for any subject. 23:16.000 --> 23:18.000 There are similar restrictions. 23:18.000 --> 23:19.000 Yeah. 23:19.000 --> 23:25.000 The main problem in opening up is like you have to be very careful about the license. 23:25.000 --> 23:29.000 If your data is not with the CCS by CCS0 license, 23:29.000 --> 23:35.000 it's not possible to include it in the WIKI data system. 23:35.000 --> 23:38.000 So that is why we need something like WIKI base, 23:38.000 --> 23:42.000 because you can still integrate with WIKI data, 23:42.000 --> 23:46.000 but we need to create something that I demonstrated here. 23:46.000 --> 23:49.000 But you cannot put that on WIKI data. 23:49.000 --> 23:54.000 So one thing that's important is the license and then also the community agreement. 23:54.000 --> 23:57.000 Not everything can be put up on WIKI data, 23:57.000 --> 23:59.000 because of notability reasons, 23:59.000 --> 24:02.000 because you cannot say that this and particular information 24:02.000 --> 24:05.000 is really notable enough to be put on WIKI data. 24:05.000 --> 24:08.000 So these are very delicate questions. 24:08.000 --> 24:15.000 People, mostly what people do is they try to put this information in WIKI base 24:15.000 --> 24:18.000 and show it to the world that this is really advantages. 24:18.000 --> 24:21.000 And then if the license is CCS0, 24:21.000 --> 24:25.000 you can just import it to the WIKI data. 24:25.000 --> 24:27.000 Thank you. 24:27.000 --> 24:29.000 Thank you very much. 24:29.000 --> 24:31.000 Thank you. 24:31.000 --> 24:36.000 Thank you. 25:01.000 --> 25:06.000 Thank you very much.