UKTeX Digest Friday, 19 Nov 1993 Volume 93 : Issue 36
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Today's Topics:
{Questions & Answers}:
HP Laserjet 4M
emTeX and MS Windows3.1
Re: emTeX and MS Windows3.1
re: emTeX and MS Windows
versions of emTeX
Re: versions of emTeX
Drivers for LaserJet IV
TeX and LaTeX for PC
Re: Drivers for LaserJet IV
Equivalent to \kill command in math mode?
LaTeX bibliography styles
Re: LaTeX bibliography styles
{Announcements}:
Report on the inaugural meeting of the NTS group, September 1993
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 11:39:06 +0000
From: P.Abbott@uk.ac.aston
Subject: HP Laserjet 4M
Does anyone have one of these printers or does anyone know how they
perform.
This printer is being considered for installation in depts (Finance
Registry) for use with Admin systems (PCs Macs and UNIX)
Any comments gratefully received.
Peter
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Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:22:52
From: Mike Piff <M.Piff@uk.ac.sheffield>
Subject: emTeX and MS Windows3.1
Has anyone tried running the emTeX previewer in a Microsoft window, ie, as an
MSDOS application? If it is run full screen, it works perfectly. However,
when you switch to a window (Alt-enter, say) and try shrinking with - and
magnifying with +, the colour display breaks up.
Is this something that would be easy to fix? The obvious advantage of running
TeX from Windows is that it supports multitasking, so you can get on with
something else whilst LaTeXing and printing.
(Version tested dviscr beta test 8.)
Mike Piff
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1993 16:55:57 +0000
From: spqr@uk.ac.tex.ftp
Subject: Re: emTeX and MS Windows3.1
I'd recommend you use Dviwin insead of dviscr, if you are getting into
Windows TeXing. Its very good, *except* that it does not support
virtual fonts. I dont see how dviscr could ever work properly other
than full screen.
<rant>
Windows is not at all a good multi-tasking environment! It is a pig[1]
On the same hardware you can get far better multi-tasking performance
by installing a real operating system. Choose from NT (costs ya), OS/2
(cheap, and d@mned good value), or Linux (free, but need some
confidence at hacking). Excellent TeXes for all of these, of course,
and previewers.
[1] substiute nastier words as desired.
</rant>
Sebastian
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Date: 10 Nov 1993 17:15:33
From: Mike Piff <M.Piff@uk.ac.sheffield>
Subject: re: emTeX and MS Windows
I seem to have cured the problem myself. You just switch dviscr into its VGA
monochrome mode with the switch /oa18 and the colours no longer break up.
Mike Piff
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 15:23:00 +0000
From: Pete Digby <digby@uk.ac.afrc>
Subject: versions of emTeX
I wonder if I could trouble the Archivists and/or Eberhart Mattes
for a reaction to the following. A few years ago I downloaded
from the archive a complete copy of emTeX, which I have found to
be excellent; also I am aware that a later version, plus BONUS
disks etc., has been installed since then.
I am considering downloading that version in the near future;
however I wondered if there was an even newer version in the
pipeline, so that I would be better to wait for that. Also I seem
to recall mention in the Newsletter of a new LaTeX, and wonder
whether that might/should affect my decision.
I would be grateful for any guidance,
Pete Digby
(DIGBY @ UK.AC.AFRC.RESA,
although this address will be subject to change soon)
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 22:15:21 +0000
From: spqr@uk.ac.tex.ftp
Subject: Re: versions of emTeX
> I wonder if I could trouble the Archivists and/or Eberhart Mattes
> for a reaction to the following. A few years ago I downloaded
> from the archive a complete copy of emTeX, which I have found to
> be excellent; also I am aware that a later version, plus BONUS
> disks etc., has been installed since then.
please note that the bonus disks are *not* supported or in any way
endorsed by Mattes;
> pipeline, so that I would be better to wait for that. Also I seem
> to recall mention in the Newsletter of a new LaTeX, and wonder
> whether that might/should affect my decision.
Yes, it should. There are two developments in the pipeline:
a) Eberhard is preparing a final beta release of emTeX (the stuff
which has been around for ages in betatest). this will mean a real
new release early next year, at a guess.
b) from early next year, LaTeX will move to a new version, which will
be the only supported one. you will want to upgrade to that, and
as soon as it is available, an emTeX-ready kit of that will be
produced.
So if it aint broke, wait another 2-3 months. Get the emTeX betatest
stuff, and/or NFSS2 macros, if
a) you want a good 386-specific TeX and MF, and drivers which do
dynamic font creation
b) you are writing LaTeX style files which load new fonts, in which
case you should get NFSS2 to see how LaTeX2e will work.
Sebastian Rahtz
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:29:24 +0000
From: proyston@uk.ac.rpms
Subject: Drivers for LaserJet IV
I recently sent out the attached message to the UK statistical community
via ALLSTAT, and was advised to contact you for help.
Text of my message follows.
From proyston Tue Nov 16 09:47:24 1993
To: allstat-request@uk.ac.mailbase
Subject: TeX and LaTeX for PC
Cc: proyston
I currently use Eberhard Mattes' implementation of LaTeX on the PC. It
appears to have been released in about 1990, so it does not have a driver
for the HP LaserJet IV. Unfortunately, the LaserJet+ driver does not work
properly with the IV.
Does anyone know where I can get a (shareware) driver for this printer?
Or indeed, actually use one which works?
Thanks in advance.
Patrick Royston.
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1993 16:33:43 +0000
From: Malcolm Clark <cudax@uk.ac.warwick.csv>
Subject: Re: Drivers for LaserJet IV
it does if you use postscript (at least on our machine).
malcolm
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 16:02:30 -0500
From: Alastair Rough <adrough%ca.uwaterloo.daisy@uk.ac.nsfnet-relay>
Subject: Equivalent to \kill command in math mode?
Is there a command in math mode which is equivalent to \kill in the LaTeX
tabbing environment?
I would like to use TeX to calculate some math mode values for me for use
elsewhere but then I wish to suppress the display.
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 11:45:15 +0000
From: geo257@uk.ac.aberdeen
Subject: LaTeX bibliography styles
I am looking for some help with LaTeX bibliography styles.
If you might be able to help me... [if not, please let me know!]
The four standard styles offered by BIBTeX are not suitable for the work I
am doing. I believe that the ftp.tex server contains extra files.
Although there are arguments against it, I would like citations
of the form [Author, 19yr] to appear in the text; in other words, I would
like a style that takes the first author's surname and the year to construct
the citation. The form of the reference list itself is less important.
An alternative would be to mimic the key, e.g. {Author:19yr} would be
acceptable. If you could give me any advice I would be very grateful.
Cheers, Donald Payne.
<d.e.payne@aberdeen.ac.uk> Donald Payne (Dept Geography, Aberdeen)
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 13:52:14 +0000
From: spqr@uk.ac.tex.ftp
Subject: Re: LaTeX bibliography styles
> The four standard styles offered by BIBTeX are not suitable for the work I
> am doing. I believe that the ftp.tex server contains extra files.
> Although there are arguments against it, I would like citations
> of the form [Author, 19yr] to appear in the text; in other words, I would
ftp.tex.ac.uk:/pub/archive/biblio/bibtex/styles/contrib contains many
styles you might want to try. the `harvard' style is
along the right lines. you'll need the LaTeX style file to go with it
to redefine the bibliography layout
sebastian
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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 12:34:03 +0000
From: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) <P.Taylor@uk.ac.rhbnc.vax>
Subject: Report on the inaugural meeting of the NTS group, September 1993
Report on the Inaugural Meeting of the NTS Core Group: September, 1993.
=========================================================================
This is a report on the inaugural meeting of the NTS (`New Typesetting System')
project group, held during the autumn DANTE meeting at Kaiserslautern (Germany)
on 23rd and 25th September, 1993.
Present: Joachim Lammarsch (DANTE President, and instigator of the NTS project)
;
Philip Taylor (Technical co-ordinator, NTS project);
Marion Neubauer (minutes secretary);
Prof. Dr. Peter Breitenlohner,
Mariusz Olko,
Bernd Raichle,
Joachim Schrod,
Friedhelm Sowa.
Background: Although the NTS project has been in existence for approximately
eighteen months, there has not previously been a face-to-face meeting of
members of the core group; at the Spring meeting of DANTE Rainer Sch\"opf
announced his resignation as technical co-ordinator, and Philip Taylor was
invited by Rainer and Joachim to take over as co-ordinator, which he agreed to
do.
Joachim Lammarsch opened the Autumn meeting by reviewing the history of the
project and the rationale which lay behind its creation; each member of the
group then briefly reviewed his or her particular area of interest in the
project, after which the group received an extended presentation from Joachim
Schrod on one possible approach to the realisation of NTS. The members of the
group were broadly in support of the approach outlined by Joachim Schrod, and
it was \stress {agreed} that this should form the basis for discussions at the
meeting.
The approach proposed by Joachim may be summarised as follows: {\TeX} in its
present form is not amenable to modification; the code, although highly
structured in some ways, is also painfully monolithic in others, and any
attempt to modify the present code in anything other than trivial ways is
almost certainly doomed to failure. Accordingly, before attempting to modify
{\TeX} in any way it is first necessary to re-implement it, the idea
behind such re-implementation being to eliminate the interdependencies of
the present version and to replace these with a truly modular structure,
allowing various elements of the typesetting process to be easily modified or
replaced. This re-implementation should be undertaken in a language suitable
for rapid prototyping, such as the Common Lisp Object System (`CLOS'). The
primary reason for the re-implementation is to provide modularisation with
specified internal interfaces and therby provide a test bed, firstly to ensure
that {\TeX} has been properly re-implemented and subsequently to allow the
investigation of new typesetting paradigms.
Once a working test bed has been created, and compatibility with existing
{\TeX} demonstrated, a second re-implementation will be undertaken; this
re-implementation will have the same modular structure as the test bed but will
be implemented with efficiency rather than extensibility in mind, and will be
undertaken using a combination of literate programming and a widespread
language with a more traditional approach, such as `C++'. When this second
version has also been demonstrated to be compatible with {\TeX}, it will be
made available to implementors around the world, the idea being to encourage
people to migrate to NTS by demonstrating its complete compatibility with
{\TeX} (the test bed will also be made available if there is interest shewn
in its use). Thereafter new ideas and proposals will be investigated using the
test bed, and if found to be successful these will be re-implemented in the
distribution version.
The main problem which the group identified with the approach outlined by
Joachim was simply one of resources: in order to accomplish two
re-implementations within a reasonable time-scale, it would be essential to use
paid labour, it being estimated that each re-implementation requires a
minimum of four man-months work to produce a prototype, and eight man-months to
reach the production stage. As this is far beyond the ability of members of th
e
group to contribute in the short term, it is clearly necessary to employ a
small team (of between two and four members) to carry out the re-implementation
s
under the guidance and supervision of one or more members of the core group.
Initial costings suggested that this could not be accomplished within the
present financial resources of the group, and accordingly it was \stress
{agreed} that Joachim Lammarsch should seek further financial support.
Subsequent investigations shewed that a quite significant reduction in costs
could be achieved if the programming team were sited in a central or eastern
European country, particularly if the members of the team were also residents
of the country; this approach is being investigated.
As it was obvious that no immediate progress could be made with Joachim
Schrod's proposal, even though the group agreed that it represented an
excellent philosophical approach, it was also \stress {agreed} that the group
needed to identify some fallback approaches, which could (a)~be commenced
immediately, and (b)~would be of significant benefit to the {\TeX} community at
large. The group identified two such projects, these being (1)~the
specification of a canonical {\TeX} kit, and (2)~the implementation of an
extended {\TeX} (to be known as e-{\TeX}) based on the present WEB
implementation. It was also \stress {agreed} that Marek Ry\'cko \& Bogus{\l}aw
Jackowski would be asked if they were willing to co-ordinate the first of these
activities, and that Peter Breitenlohner would co-ordinate the second.
The ideas behind the two proposals are as follows.
(1)~The canonical {\TeX} kit: at the moment, the most that can be assumed of
any site offering {\TeX} is (a)~ini{\TeX}; (b)~plain {\TeX}; (c)~{\LaTeX};
and (d)~at least sixteen Computer Modern fonts. Whilst these are adequate
for a restricted range of purposes, it is highly desirable when transferrin
g
documents from another site to be able to assume the existence of a far
wider range of utilities. For example, it may be necessary to rely on
BibTeX, or on MakeIndex; it may be useful to be able to assume the existenc
e
of BM2FONT; and so on. Rather than simply say ``all of these can be found
on the nearest CTAN archive'', it would be better if all implementations
contained a standard subset of the available tools. It is therefore the ai
m
of this project to identify what the elements of this subset should be, and
then to liaise with developers and implementors to ensure that this subset
is available for, and distributed with, each {\TeX} implementation.
(2)~Extended {\TeX} (e-{\TeX}): whilst the test bed and production system
approach is philosophically very sound, the reality at the moment is
that the group lacks the resources to bring it to fruition. None the
less, there are many areas in which a large group of existing {\TeX}
users believe that improvements could be made within the philosophical
constraints of the existing {\TeX} implementation. E-{\TeX} is an
attempt to satisfy their needs which could be accomplished without a
major investment of resources, and which can pursued without the need
for additional paid labour.
Finally the group agreed to individually undertake particular responsibilities;
these are to be:
Peter Breitenlohner: Remove any existing incompatibilities between
{\TeX}--{\XeT} and {\TeX}, with the idea of basing further e-{\TeX}
developments on {\TeX}--{\XeT}; liaise with Chris Thompson concerning
portability of the code; produce a catalogue of proposed extensions to
e-{\TeX}.
Joachim Lammarsch: liaise with vendors and publishers in an attempt to raise
money for the implementation of NTS proper; arrange a further meeting of
interested parties; liaise with Eberhard Mattes concerning the present
constraints on the unbundling of em{\TeX}; negotiate with leading academics
concerning possible academic involvement in the project.
Mariusz Olko: take responsibility for the multi-lingual aspects of e-{\TeX} and
NTS; discuss the possibility of siting the NTS programming team in Poland;
discuss the possibility of academic involvement with leading Polish academics.
Bernd Raichle: endeavour to get {\TeX}--{\XeT} integrated into the standard
UNIX distribution; prepare a list of proposed extensions to e-{\TeX}; lead
discussions on NTS-L.
Friedhelm Sowa: primary responsibility for finance; prepare proposals for a
unified user interface and for unification of the integration of graphics;
liaise with the Czech/Slovak groups concerning possible siting of the NTS
programming team in the Czech Republic or Slovakia; discuss possible academic
involvement with leading academics.
Philip Taylor: Overall technical responsibility for all aspects of the project;
liaise with other potential NTS core group members; prepare and circulate a
summary of the decisions of this and future meetings.
Philip Taylor,
09-NOV-1993 14:02:03
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