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From: garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)
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Subject: Slackware by Satanists?
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I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1
Send mail to garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu
All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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From: armand@cats.ucsc.edu (Armand)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
wicca is a pagan organization that dealls with alternative ways od
living and leading ones own life, yes there are many things that arent
considered 'acceptable
by christian society, but wicca is anything but a group of satanists.
in fact that claim is so far from the truth that is amuses me. i'm not
involved with wicca at this time, but i have been in the past and i
resent that a bit. sorry, but whoever started that rumor should atleast
research their false claims before making them. they are making themselves
appear foolish. to say that slackware was put together by a bunch of
witches is more accurate (although i wasnt aware of wiccan involvement with
slackware).
if you are interested in wicca, try some books by scott cunningham,
or drop in on the irc channel #wicca
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From: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of
> messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's"
> (Satanists) He claims that several different sources have claimed this
> and that even the prodigy organization has posted a message about it.
> [ ... ]
> Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Well, I can't speak for the people who produced slackware, and I
really don't care what their religion is. (Not sure, but I don't
think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
And I certainly wouldn't trust the so-called "prodigy organization"
(or any subscriber thereof) as an authority on such things.
As for people deleting slackware off of their systems...well, people
who will put more faith in rumors than in their own ability to observe
and experience ... are probably going to lose in one way or another.
(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
subliminal messages...)
--
Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN 37996-1301
Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu BITNET: moore@utkvx
The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of my actions.
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From: fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 07:25:23 GMT
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Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
: He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
: the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
: this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
: this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Pat Volkerding
is a really nice guy and my best guess is that the worst thing that he is
is a deadhead :-)
Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
their nearest hospital.
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From: watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
> of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
> "Wicca's" (Satanists).
Your friend's name wouldn't be Peter McDonald by any chance?
:-)
John.
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moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
>subliminal messages...)
You mean, like, after backwards masking of pop records (or simple forwards
masking in the case of Slayer and Morbid Angel ]:^) and parental advisory
stickers on metal CD's we'll now get a "Source Code Against Satanism" lobby
campaign?
No doubt your system administrators will be forced to convert their daemons
to aengels ;^>
Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
Peter Herweijer
pieterh@sci.kun.nl
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From: nick@davinci.uni-paderborn.de (Martin Koch)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Hey this program that produces this messages is called 'fortune' and is
included in every Un*x distribution. ;-)
[Rest of nonsense deleted]
---
Bye ;-)
Martin Koch --- email : nick@uni-paderborn.de
Bodelschwinghstraße 8 --- phone : +49 5251 31104 Q
D-33102 Paderborn
Germany
--------------Escape the Gates of Hell, use Linux----------
There is a theory which states that if anyone discovers what the Universe
is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by
something even more bizarre and inexplicable.
There is another theory which states that this has already happened.
(The restaurant at the end of the universe/Douglas Adams)
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From: sarr@citi.umich.edu (Sarr J. Blumson)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article
<2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)
writes:
|> I have just heard from a friend of mine that
|> has just read a bunch of messages
|> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together
|> by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
|> He claims that several different sources have
|> claimed this and that even
|> the prodigy organization has posted a message
|> about it. Frankly I think
|> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much
|> like to hear any comments about
|> this. Several of the people locally here that I
|> have helped get slackware
|> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping
|> their Linux stuff off their
|> machines because of this and the claim that it
|> flashes subliminal messages.
|>
Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
Christian fascists that
circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
--
--------
Sarr Blumson sarr@citi.umich.edu
voice: +1 313 764 0253 home: +1 313 665 9591
CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943
Article 13632 of comp.os.linux.misc:
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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee) writes:
>
>Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
>messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
>their nearest hospital.
Maybe they ought to do it, just for fun.
--
-Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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|> From: fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee)
|> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
|> Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
|> Date: 7 Jan 1994 07:25:23 GMT
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|> Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
|> : I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
|> : claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
|> : He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
|> : the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
|> : this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
|> : this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
|> : 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
|> : machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
|>
Who cares what religious affiliation the Slackware people are? Does it make
their distribution any better or worse?
From now on, I decree that every distribution should include the following
information:
Name:
Religion:
Type of Religion (GOOD/EVIL/UNIX/C++/GNU/Atari ST/Linux/vi/NFL):
Favorite Color:
Number of fingers on left hand:
Number tatooed on skull:
Number of horns:
Number of tails:
Prefer HOT or cold weather:
Subliminal words coded into operating system:
Ever make a deal with a supernatural being:
Favorite classic rock group (EAGLES/ZEPPELIN/OTHER):
Does your code run backwards:
If so, and an audio card is attached, what words can be faintly discerned:
Does your dog respond when called "Hound of Hell":
Graduate from law school:
Apologies to the humor impaired.
-- Tom Drabenstott
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From: John M Prevost <visigoth+@CMU.EDU>
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 10:23:04 -0500
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On 7 Jan 1994, Garry Lester Freemyer spake thus:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Not likely... For one thing (as several people have pointed out),
Wiccans aren'T satanists. For another, the source of the thing is
obvious. Slack is a virtue upheld by the Church of the Subgenius,
which is a spoof religion that worships "BoB" (You can see a picture
of BoB in the slackware distribution of one of the X file managers...
;>) Subgenii delight in silly things:
>It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
>program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
>to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
>proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
And a subgenius would really think it was funny as all get-out that
someone removed linux from their system because of that... ;> They'd
pry put it IN just for that! If you want, tell them that it's just a
post-hippy silly sort of thing. Nothing to worry about... And if one
of them claims to see satanic subliminal messages, remove the OS
yourself! They obviously aren't intelligent enough to make good use
of it!
--
___ ___ "I burn my candle at both ends;
\\ / John Prevost It will not last the night;
\\ / visigoth+@CMU.EDU But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends--
\\/ jprevost@comtch.iea.com It gives a lovely light!"
~~~~ --Edna St. Vincent Millay
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Date: 7 Jan 1994 15:48:07 GMT
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
"Linux, the free OS....except for your SOUL! MOUHAHAHAHA!"
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In article <2gjr0s$s2f@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Sarr J. Blumson,
sarr@citi.umich.edu writes:
>Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
>Christian fascists that
>circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
>
>--
>--------
>Sarr Blumson sarr@citi.umich.edu
>voice: +1 313 764 0253 home: +1 313 665 9591
>CITI, University of Michigan, 519 W William, Ann Arbor, MI 48103-4943
MS-DOS and Windows? :=<
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In article <CJ9Fox.59s@sci.kun.nl> pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer) writes:
>moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>
> >(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
> >subliminal messages...)
>
>You mean, like, after backwards masking of pop records (or simple forwards
>masking in the case of Slayer and Morbid Angel ]:^) and parental advisory
>stickers on metal CD's we'll now get a "Source Code Against Satanism" lobby
>campaign?
No, probably someone noticed mention of RFC 666 compliance.
>No doubt your system administrators will be forced to convert their daemons
>to aengels ;^>
>
>Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
No fair. There are extremists that are equally crazy in Europe :-).
On a more serious note, Proctor & Gamble has had continuing
difficulties over the years with some idiotic rumor that they are a Satanic
organization. They have spent untold amounts of money to squash this rumor
whenever it comes up. It may sound dumb, but it might be best not to ignore
this sort of stupidity, since there are a lot of people in this country who do
not know any better.
-Eric
--
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj2p3$jl9@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee) writes:
> Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
> messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
> their nearest hospital.
Well...i dunno about pagan subliminal messages telling me to worship
satan or whatever, but when using vi, and doing scrolling--the left
half of the screen does 'flash' for an instant sometimes--but it looks
more like random text/memory than an order from old fiery himself.
Russ.
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] Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
] 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off
] their machines because of this and the claim that it flashes
] subliminal messages.
Good riddance to them.
I assumed slackware was more of a Sub-Genius/Bob Dobbs kind of thing?
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From: Sean Michael Goller <wipeout+@CMU.EDU>
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Satanists? by Garry L. Freemyer@ecst.c
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of
messages
>
> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
No, no, NO....not Wicca's (sp). Didn't you know? Pat Volkerding is
actually L. Ron Hubbard in disguise...Slackware is nothing but a huge
plot to convert the entire Linux community to Scientology....... ^_^
(apologies to Pat... ^_^)
Sean "Hey! I *liked* Mission Earth! So what if he was 'dead'?" Goller
wipeout+@cmu.edu
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eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
> On a more serious note, Proctor & Gamble has had continuing
>difficulties over the years with some idiotic rumor that they are a Satanic
>organization. They have spent untold amounts of money to squash this rumor
>whenever it comes up. It may sound dumb, but it might be best not to ignore
>this sort of stupidity, since there are a lot of people in this country who do
>not know any better.
Well I agree completely, I guess it's best to end this discussion, this crap
could only harm Linux. The same thing happened with Marlboro & the KKK thing.
These things can be horrific for products even if they're non-commercial.
>
>-Eric
>--
>"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
>And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."
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From: ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Thomas Koenig)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Keith Moore (moore@cs.utk.edu) wrote in article <2gj1qeINN53r@CS.UTK.EDU>:
>(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
>subliminal messages...)
Ok... time for RFC 1097, methinks. BTW, if anybody can figure out how
to send a command code of 257 in telnet, please tell me ;-)
Network Working Group B. Miller
Request for Comments: 1097 CMU-NetDev
1 April 1989
TELNET SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE Option
Status of this Memo
This RFC specifies a standard for the Internet community. Hosts on
the Internet that display subliminal messages within the Telnet
protocol are expected to adopt and implement this standard.
Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
1. Command name and code.
SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE 257
2. Command meanings.
IAC WILL SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
The sender of this command REQUESTS permission to, or confirms
that it will, display subliminal messages.
IAC WONT SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
The sender of this command REFUSES to display subliminal messages.
IAC DO SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
The sender of this command REQUESTS that the receiver, or grants
the receiver permission to, display subliminal messages.
IAC DONT SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
The sender of this command DEMANDS that the receiver not display
subliminal messages.
IAC SB SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE <16-bit value> <16-bit value> <string> IAC
SE
The sender specifies a message to be subliminaly displayed by the
remote host. If the client has agreed (via the standard WILL WONT
DO DONT mechanism) to display subliminal messages, it must accept
this subnegotiation and attempt to display the message string on
the users console for the specified duration and continue to do so
at fixed intervals until another SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE subnegotiation
is received. The position and rendering of the message of
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implementation dependent.
The first 16-bit value specifies the duration of the message in
milliseconds. It is sent MSB first. The second 16-bit value
specifies the frequency with which the message is displayed. It
represents the number of seconds between displays and is also sent
MSB first. The final parameter is the message itself.
The syntax for this subnegotiation is:
IAC SB SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
DURATION[1] DURATION[0]
FREQUENCY[1] FREQUENCY[0]
MESSAGE_STRING
IAC SE
As required by the Telnet protocol, any occurence of 255 in the
subnegotiation must be doubled to destinguish it from the IAC
character (which has a value of 255).
3. Default.
WONT SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
DONT SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
i.e., subliminal messages will not be displayed.
4. Motivation for the option
Frequently the use of "Message of the day" banners and newsletters is
insufficient to convince stubborn users to upgrade to the latest
version of telnet. Some users will use the same outdated version for
years. I ran across this problem trying to convince people to use
the REMOTE-FLOW-CONTROL Telnet option. These users need to be gently
"persuaded".
5. Description and implementation notes.
The quality of the client implementation will depend on it's ability
to display and erase text strings in a small amount of time. The
current implementation at CMU takes into acount terminal line speed,
advanced video capabilities, and screen phospher persistance when
calculating how long to wait before erasing a message.
While it is permitted for the client to display the message text
"in-line", best results at obtained by printing the message at the
top or side of console screen where it will just catch the corner of
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the user's visual field.
A version is currently under development at CMU to display the
message using morse-code over the keyboard caps-lock LED.
6. Examples
In the following example all numbers are in decimal notation.
1. Server suggests and client agrees to use SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE.
(Server sends) IAC DO SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
(Client sends) IAC WILL SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE
(Server sends) IAC SB SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE 0 5 0 20 "Use VMS" IAC SE
[The server is "suggesting" that the user employ a stable
operating system, not an unreasonable request...]
The client should immediately begin displaying the message and
should continue to do so at regular intervals.
2. Server preempts previous subliminal message.
(Server sends) IAC SB SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE 0 5 0 20 "Go home" IAC SE
The client should now no longer display the previous message and
should immediately begin displaying the new one.
3. Server has messed with user enough for one day.
(Server sends) IAC SB SUBLIMINAL-MESSAGE 0 0 0 0 "" IAC SE
The client must cease display of any subliminal messages.
7. Acknowledgements.
We do things just a little sneakier here at CMU.
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Thomas Koenig, ig25@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de, ig25@dkauni2.bitnet
The joy of engineering is to find a straight line on a double
logarithmic diagram.
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This has to be the most bizarre thread I've seen since the space potato
appeared over in sci.astro. I'd be real interested to know how this
particular urban legend got started.
Incidentally, the idea of subliminal persuasion is itself bunkum (see
the sci.skeptic FQA for references).
Chris Flatters
cflatter@nrao.edu
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9CoJ.79o@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson) writes:
>garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>
>> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
>> of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
>> "Wicca's" (Satanists).
>
>Your friend's name wouldn't be Peter McDonald by any chance?
>
No. Its the 386BSD people - all the BSD books and releases with the little
demon on them (the guy with the pitchfork..) say no more,say no more...
Alan
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <GERLEK.94Jan7055938@dis.cse.ogi.edu> gerlek@dis.cse.ogi.edu (Michael Gerlek) writes:
>In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
>> of messages
>> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>> He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>> the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>> this is all a bunch of hoey [...]
>
>Before this gets out of hand, how about citing some actual sources?
>What "messages" did your friend read? (Can someone out there who's on
>Prodigy repost whatever's on their groups?)
>
Especially to the author, since defamation does seem to be a fairly juicy
civil offence..
Alan
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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And here I thought Satan was Bill Gates. Guess I
better dig up my copy of windows/dos, pull the stake out and
reinstall. Want to avoid that eternal damnation of software.
:-)
--
Shawn C. Masters
smasters@gmu.edu
I speak for myself, not my department or institution.
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>|>
>Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
>Christian fascists that
>circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
MS-DOS, no doubt :-)
--
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet
"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint! But ya gotta know the territory!"
Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"
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Ce brave Garry Lester Freemyer ecrit:
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
> this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Oh yes, and when their machine will print BogoMips: 666, this will announce
the end of the world, for sure.
One of the most international thing is stupidity.
And there is no medecine for that, you'd better find other friends :-))
--
linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux
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From: khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith Hearn)
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
>
>It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
>program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
>to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
>proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
>
>Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
>about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1
>
>Send mail to garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu
>
>All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Lets see...
1) Wiccans are not Satanists. They worship 'The Goddess', who is
roughly equivalent to Mother Nature (altho I'm sure any Wiccans
reading this could point out that I obviously don't know much about
Wicca, which is true, but I do know that the Goddess is *not*
Satan). I know a few Wiccans, and they are nice people, not evil,
baby-eating, feinds.
2) Full sources come with Slackware, so if there *were* subliminal
messages, they'd be easy to find in the source, and you'd have seen
a *huge* uproar here already, because *someone* would have found
them by now.
3) Subliminal messages (drink Coke) don't work.
4) Since when is 'Gonzo' Satanic? :) Or even 'Snake-Pit' for that
matter? Ok, 'Satan' is definitely related to, er, Satan, I'll give
you that. But somehow, I suspect that that is someone's handle. It's
not an unusual (or particularly original) one. I doubt Gonzo is
anyone's real name. Why don't your friends think that Slackware is
put out by Gonzonics (Whorshipers of Gonzo, a rather weird muppet)?
I'd certainly be interested in whatever sources your friend saw. I'll
bet the message from 'the prodigy organization' was actually just some
idiot posting on Prodigy. I can't beleive the people running it would
be stupid enough to put their butts on the legal firing line by claiming
that the guy who put together Slackware is a satanist and is
distributing subliminal messages. (But then, maybe Prodigy *is* run
by idiots)
Frankly, I'd put more faith in the theory that eating Pop Rocks and
drinking carbonated sodas will make your stomach explode.
Final analysis: Your friends would appear to be endowed with room
temperature IQs, at best. Trade them in on some who only panic at
unfounded rumors that *might* have some faint possibility of being
true.
Besides, Satan is dead, I saw a picture of his skull on the cover of
The Weekly World News just last week. That's probably about as
reliable of a source as whatever your friend saw.
Keith
We now return you to your regularly scheduled lunacy.
--
Keith Hearn \ There are times when
khearn@pyramid.com \ I think a nuclear war
Pyramid Technology Corporation \ might benefit mankind.
(408) 428-7304 or (408) 263-2701 \ Delenda est Barney.
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From: tinsel@uiuc.edu (Thomas Aaron Insel)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 23:14:26 GMT
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garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
If you cat the default kernel that comes with Slackware through
/dev/audio, you can clearly hear "Serve Satan" after 11.1 seconds of
static. And, we all know that 11.1 is 1/60 the number of the Beast...
--
Thomas Insel (tinsel@uiuc.edu)
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt."
-- Clarence Darrow
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
|> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
|> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
|> He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
|> the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
|> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
|> this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
|> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
|> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
|>
I believe that Haldol might relieve some of the symptoms of the
folk who think that there their software might be controlled by Satan.
It generally works wonders with the people you talk to either God or Satan.
This is commonly observed in the phych wards.
Sincerely,
David G. Boney
American Heart Association Medical Student Research Fellow
Texas Tech School of Medicine
Lubbock, Texas
dboney@mc.cs.ttu.edu
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From: babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
OK, *HOW* does it flash the subliminal messages? Does it do it in
X-windows (which wasn't written by Patrick) or does it do it only in
the character-mode display, using the terminal drivers (which also
weren't written by Patrick)?
: Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
: about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1
If they're this worried about the Dark Side of the Force, then you
should drop a copy of the GNU GPL on them and watch them go into
total brain-failure.
--
Lockheed Sanders may disagree so these are solely the opinions of:
Scott L. Babb - babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
"We didn't inherit the Earth from our parents,
we are borrowing it from our children."
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In article <1994Jan7.163550.28914@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, Schultz_Russell@semail.jsc.nasa.gov (Schultz, Russell) writes:
|> In article <2gj2p3$jl9@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
|> fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee) writes:
|>
|> > Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
|> > messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
|> > their nearest hospital.
|>
|> Well...i dunno about pagan subliminal messages telling me to worship
|> satan or whatever,
Pagans do not worship satan. Please do not insult us.
--
Larry D. Pyeatt All standard disclaimers apply.
pyeatt@cs.colostate.edu Void where prohibited.
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9CoJ.79o@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson) writes:
>garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>
>> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
>> of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
>> "Wicca's" (Satanists).
>
>Your friend's name wouldn't be Peter McDonald by any chance?
>
>:-)
>
>John.
Peter Macdonald. Now there is a person whose distribution _is_ bad
enough to be called satanic.
1/2 :)
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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gjr0s$s2f@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> sarr@ifs.umich.edu writes:
>In article
><2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
>garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)
>writes:
>|> I have just heard from a friend of mine that
>|> has just read a bunch of messages
>|> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together
>|> by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>|> He claims that several different sources have
>|> claimed this and that even
>|> the prodigy organization has posted a message
>|> about it. Frankly I think
>|> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much
>|> like to hear any comments about
>|> this. Several of the people locally here that I
>|> have helped get slackware
>|> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping
>|> their Linux stuff off their
>|> machines because of this and the claim that it
>|> flashes subliminal messages.
>|>
>Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
>Christian fascists that
>circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
>
SLS?
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9Jn0.xsw@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> tom@mule.raleigh.ibm.com (nibmtld@ralvm29|tp|219368|Tom Drabenstott) writes:
>Does your dog respond when called "Hound of Hell":
Ask the Kerberos people about that!
:)
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Has anyone thought that this might be Zappa haunting the net and
messing with the clueless among us?
Doug
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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
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...
>
>(The Satan/Gonzo/Snakepit stuff is pretty lame and juvenile in any
>case, imho. The Slackware folks should save disk space for something
>useful.)
...
I know who Satan is and I can imagine something with 'Snakepit' but
who the hell (pun not intended) is 'Gonzo'?
Paai.
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About Slackware, Satanists and subliminal messages: didn't you folks
know that this 'subliminal message'-stuff was a hoax. I'll look up
the references if you want, but the original 'inventors' of the short
advertising-flash inserted in the reel of a movie have admitted that
they invented the story in order to raise money to examine excactly
that phenomenom.
When the possibility of inflencing people by those means was again
experimented with, no confirmation was found.
Hans Paijmans.
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clolson@me.umn.edu (Curt L. Olson (Admin)) writes:
>>>
>>>That's the problem right there. Anything that mentions Satan is
>>>evil.
>
>>The book of Job for one.
>
>I suppose the context of the mentioning could be important.
Yeah. Any book that mentions someone actually conversing with Satan,
betting with him, and allowing Satan to destroy someone's life, could
be called evil. Like the book of Job.
Seriously, can't we get away from this Satan crap? Or at least divert
the discussion to the spot where they discuss things like the Santa and
the Tooth Fairy? Or just plain bizarre talk?
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In article <757972208snx@crynwr.com> nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
>In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu writes:
> It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by
> the install program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo,
> Snake-Pit".
>
>That's the problem right there. Anything that mentions Satan is
>evil.
Grin.. most preachers and religious books mention him a lot. Guess that
says it all [And Russ has done the same just now]
Alan
Hail Eris!
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Richard L. Goerwitz (goer@quads.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: Russell Nelson writes:
: >
: > It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by
: > the install program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo,
: > Snake-Pit".
: >
: >That's the problem right there. Anything that mentions Satan is
: >evil.
: The book of Job for one.
Actually, much of the Bible mentions Satan someplace or other.
BURN IT! :)
: --
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khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com (Keith Hearn) writes:
>2) Full sources come with Slackware, so if there *were* subliminal
> messages, they'd be easy to find in the source, and you'd have seen
> a *huge* uproar here already, because *someone* would have found
> them by now.
>3) Subliminal messages (drink Coke) don't work.
What do you mean subliminal messages don't work? Consume. I can't belive
that you are going to sit there say that! Merry and reproduce. Everybody
and his mother knows that subliminal messages work! fnord. If subliminal
messages didn't work, then why did the government outlaw them? Watch
Barney. I dare you to prove that they don't work. Choose AT&T. I bet that
you work for THEM don't you? Kill Ted Kopple. Your one of the
conspirators, aren't you? Remove your pants.
Don't you think its just a LITTLE too convenient that everyone is
dropping Windows for Linux? Mow Linus's Living Room. Why do people keep
using Slackware when it is so reputed for being buggy? Worship your god.
I mean, how many people have actually ever seen Ian Jackson? Read the
FAQ. What do you want to bet that H.J. Lu is none other then BILL GATES?
Reject IBM. I bet you believe that Eric Youngdale is a real person too!
Obey. Well I've got news for you, buddy -- hes actually a BOT from Bell
Labs!! Ignore your government. The only reason Linus sleeps in class is
because of the microchips in his brain! Send me money. Oh yes, its all
just a little too convenient if you ask me!! Vote Democrate.
I hope you think twice before you ever post again. Sleep.
Christopher. I am your leader.
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Schultz_Russell@semail.jsc.nasa.gov (Schultz, Russell) writes:
>In article <2gj2p3$jl9@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
>fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee) writes:
>> Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
>> messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
>> their nearest hospital.
>Well...i dunno about pagan subliminal messages telling me to worship
>satan or whatever, but when using vi, and doing scrolling--the left
>half of the screen does 'flash' for an instant sometimes--but it looks
>more like random text/memory than an order from old fiery himself.
Actually, I believe it has to do with "fast scrolling". The kernel normally
doesn't really move data around, but adjusts the start of the frame buffer.
Now sometimes the available space is used, and the currently displayed
screen (at the end of memory) hast to be copied to the beginning - on top of
what has just left your screen some pages before.
Maybe this effect even happens when the several, awfully distributed bit of
frame buffer start adress get written one after another and something
time-consuming happens in between...
Bernie
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And it started all over again" [] "Nobody is a failure who has friends"
(The Pogues, "Waltzing Mathilda") [] (from: "It's a wonderful life")
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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
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Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
: of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
: "Wicca's" (Satanists)
Anybody who confuses Wiccans and Satanists is as dumb as a brick and
twice as ignorant.
: He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that
: even the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly
: I think this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear
: any comments about this.
So what if it's true? Why not use a distribution created by wiccans
or satanists? The last time I checked, the US still claimed to have
freedom of religion? They better find out what religion Bill Gates is
if they care that much about the religion of the people who create the
software they use.
: Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off
: their machines because of this and the claim that it flashes
: subliminal messages.
Good! I really wouldn't want anybody that moronic, narrow-minded, and
hateful as part of the Linux community anyway. Good riddance. I'm
surprised anybody that stupid can run a computer that isn't already
set up for them running windows. If I were you I would stop
associating with such ignorant bigots -- they are irritating, and
usually beyond help. It's like trying to teach a mule to read: it
doesn't work, and it annoys the mule.
That aside:
Point 1: Subliminal messages don't work, so why worry.
Point 2: Run "strings" on any suspected program. (I suppose that the
author of strings is part of the great satanic (or was it
wiccan) global conspiracy.
: It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by
: the install program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo,
: Snake-Pit"
Too bad fundementalist christians seem to be totally lacking in humor
and common sense. The world is indeed a grim place for such literal
minded cretins.
: I would like to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that
: (I've tried) without proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
Why? I would encourage them to burn thier computers also. Once
you've run satanist, wiccan, buddhist, presbiterian, or democratic
software, your hardware has been contaminated permanently. WAIT,
BROTHER! A 1280x1024 true-color vision of Jusus has just appeared and
told me in 16bit 44K samples/sec stereo that burning the stuff is
still too dangerous -- they are to ship the contaminated hardware to
me, and I'll dispose of it properly.
(And believe me that was a MIRACLE, becuase I run a machine with
hercules monochrome video and NO sound board -- PRAISED BE to GOD!
(And yes, Jesus DOES have BLUE EYES and speaks in 16th century
ENGLISH!))
: Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid
: thing up about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware
: 1.1.1
Unfortunately, I _do_ I believe you.
--
Grant Edwards |Yow! I have the power to
Rosemount Inc. |HALT PRODUCTION on all
|TEENAGE SEX COMEDIES!!
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In article <19940108153124.Vester.Scott@vscott2.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> Vester.Scott@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Vester Scott) writes:
>In Article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> "garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)" says:
>> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>> He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>> the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>> this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
>>
>> It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
>> program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
>> to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
>> proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
>>
>> Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
>> about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1
>>
>How is ANYBODY or ANYTHING going to erase all doubt from their minds?
>It's THEIR software and THEIR perceived problem.
>Let it go, m'man.
#1 Prodogy is to the Internet as the Globe is to the New York Times. It
is certainly not a reliable source for information, particularly about
"freeware", whos philosophy conflicts with, or is at least alien and
even incomprehensible to, many corporate world pictures.
#2 Wiccan's are not Satanists, they are witches who worship a completely
non-cristian entity. As an atheist, that is about all I know of their
belief system. One thing I can say, however, is that a Wiccan friend
of mine is far less offensive and overbearing in practicing her
beleifs than some christian acquaintances of mine. But enough of
comparitive mythology, which doesn't belong in this group anyway
(please not the followup: entry).
#3: In reponse to the last post:
Here here!! If some religious bigots or paranoics want to get rid of their
software, let them. The only people they are intellectually castrating are
themselves, and it might serve to take some noise out of the Linux arena.
I agree with another poster: let's move all of the nonsense to
alt.talk.bizzarr, or perhaps the comp.os.msdos heirarchy, where these
poor deluded creatures will no doubt be hanging out now that Daddy .. ah,
sorry, big brother .. has taken their Linux away...
(you may place smileys here if it makes you feel better)
Jean.
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Jean Liddle
Computer Science, Illinois State University
e-mail: jliddle@ilstu.edu
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From: grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Keith Hearn (khearn@pyrps5.eng.pyramid.com) wrote:
: 1) Wiccans are not Satanists. They worship 'The Goddess', who is
: roughly equivalent to Mother Nature (altho I'm sure any Wiccans
: reading this could point out that I obviously don't know much about
: Wicca, which is true, but I do know that the Goddess is *not*
: Satan). I know a few Wiccans, and they are nice people, not evil,
: baby-eating, feinds.
Actually, neither are satanists. The only organized satanic church
that I'm familiar with is the "Church of Satan" founded by an
ex-circus promoter named LaVey who wrote the "Satanic Bible." The
LaVey satanism is really a cross between libterianism and hedonism.
The philosophy is "Do whatever you want, as long as you don't hurt
anybody." They don't approve of harming other people. The use of
animals in rituals is also frowned upon. They don't actually believe
in the existance of Satan -- it's just a symbol of their rejection of
christianity and the mainstream american culture.
There is also the "Temple of Set" which worships an Egyptian god named
Set. They are sometimes called satanists, but I haven't figured out
why.
The "baby-eating" satanists are purely an invention of christians so
that they can have somebody to hate. There seems to be a number of
christian sects that are only happy when they have somebody to hate --
which doesn't seem very christian to me. I'm not a christian, but to
me, revelling in hate didn't sound like what Jesus was trying to
teach.
In addition to the people who love to hate, there are a bunch of
people raking in the dough by writing books and conducting training
seminars on "Satanism" in order to take advantage of the narrow
minded suckers.
--
Grant Edwards |Yow! Pardon me, but do you
Rosemount Inc. |know what it means to be
|TRULY ONE with your BOOTH!
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Hahahahhahah :)
I've met the maker of Slackware he wasn't wearing pentagrams or drinking
blood. There are some hidden things in Slackware but they have nothing to
do with Satanism, I won't spoil the surprise. Hint, the name Slackware is
the first clue...
BTW-
Wicca!=Satanism
>It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
>program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
>to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
>proof that this is the hoax I think it is.
>
>Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
>about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1
Don't stop them, idiocy is its own punishment, let them using Messy Loss.
--
------ Legalize: >--<o | I confess to an unatural, and abnormal .
\ / :-)-~ o>--< | act I have programmed a computer. . .
\ / You are ~1,000,000,000,000,000 .1ms NAND gates have a nice day. . . .
\/ The true theory of everything will run on a finite turing machine. . . .
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9Fox.59s@sci.kun.nl>, Peter Herweijer <pieterh@sci.kun.nl> wrote:
>moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>
> >(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
> >subliminal messages...)
>
>You mean, like, after backwards masking of pop records (or simple forwards
>masking in the case of Slayer and Morbid Angel ]:^) and parental advisory
>stickers on metal CD's we'll now get a "Source Code Against Satanism" lobby
>campaign?
>
>No doubt your system administrators will be forced to convert their daemons
>to aengels ;^>
>
>Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
I know someone who almost got killed wearing a Unix T shirt in the south,
it had a picture of a Daemon on it, the person decided it was to cute and
that Satan shouldn't be displayed that way.
When people ask you to help remove condoms from schools remember what level
of IQ your dealing with.
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
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In article <2gj2p3$jl9@genesis.ait.psu.edu>,
Chuck Fee <fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu> wrote:
>Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
>: I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>: claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>: He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>: the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>: this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>: this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>: 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>: machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
>
>This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Pat Volkerding
>is a really nice guy and my best guess is that the worst thing that he is
>is a deadhead :-)
>
>Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
>messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
>their nearest hospital.
Are you sure these arn't the computers in the ward :)
--
------ Legalize: >--<o | I confess to an unatural, and abnormal .
\ / :-)-~ o>--< | act I have programmed a computer. . .
\ / You are ~1,000,000,000,000,000 .1ms NAND gates have a nice day. . . .
\/ The true theory of everything will run on a finite turing machine. . . .
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
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In article <1994Jan08.165242.5191@kub.nl>, J.J. Paijmans <paai@kub.nl> wrote:
>...
>>
>>(The Satan/Gonzo/Snakepit stuff is pretty lame and juvenile in any
>>case, imho. The Slackware folks should save disk space for something
>>useful.)
>...
>
>I know who Satan is and I can imagine something with 'Snakepit' but
>who the hell (pun not intended) is 'Gonzo'?
The author :)
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gjr0s$s2f@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu>,
Sarr J. Blumson <sarr@ifs.umich.edu> wrote:
>In article
><2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
>garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)
>writes:
>|> I have just heard from a friend of mine that
>|> has just read a bunch of messages
>|> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together
>|> by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>|> He claims that several different sources have
>|> claimed this and that even
>|> the prodigy organization has posted a message
>|> about it. Frankly I think
>|> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much
>|> like to hear any comments about
>|> this. Several of the people locally here that I
>|> have helped get slackware
>|> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping
>|> their Linux stuff off their
>|> machines because of this and the claim that it
>|> flashes subliminal messages.
>|>
>Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
>Christian fascists that
>circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
The SBC (southern baptist convention) version, certified free of
code written by sinners. Note incorrect answers to any initial
questions will result in your modem dialing a central sinner
tracking system for remedial "therapy".
Here is the installation screen:
SBC 2.3.5
Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? y
Do you listen to heavy metal? n
Have you ever consumed any mind altering substance (wine doesn't count)? n
Have you ever had sex before marriage? n
Have you ever lusted after members of the same sex? n
Do you believe that sex on TV is worse than violence on TV? y
Can condoms help prevent the spread of HIV? n
Can condoms be used to prevent pregnancy? n
Do you plan to use any programs that run backwards? n
Would you like your modem configured to call the SBC bbs? y
Would you like your drive scanned for unholy files before installation? y
Scanning......
Deleting cindy+mike+bob.gif
Deleting communist-manifesto.txt
Deleting origin-of-the-species.ps
Deleting aclu-newsletter43.txt
Drive purified, press enter to continue:
bible.tgz Bible viewing software [required]
**********************************************************
Selects random biblical verse for viewing when logging in,
except inconvient verses like the sermon on the mount and
the relationship of David and Joshua.
**********************************************************
Would you like to install bible.tgz? y
....
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From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9Fox.59s@sci.kun.nl>, pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer) writes:
>moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>
>No doubt your system administrators will be forced to convert their daemons
>to aengels ;^>
>
>Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
> ^^^^^^^^^
Hmm. I'm not sure I want to be thrown into the same catagory as people who
would believe this sort of nonsense.
--
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From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <1994Jan7.155044.9644@gallant.apple.com>, James Hammett <jamesh@apple.com> writes:
>In article <2gjr0s$s2f@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu> Sarr J. Blumson,
>sarr@citi.umich.edu writes:
>>Can anybody tell me what version is favored by the
>>Christian fascists that
>>circulate this garbage, so I can avoid THAT.
>
>MS-DOS and Windows? :=<
>
If ANY OS (and I use the term loosly) were devised by Satan, don't you think
DOS would be the best candidate?
--
David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
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215-828-3708 (home)
Linux, the people's unix.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJ9o9F.Hq8@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>In article <CJ9Fox.59s@sci.kun.nl> pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer) writes:
>>moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>>
>>Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
>
> No fair. There are extremists that are equally crazy in Europe :-).
>
> On a more serious note, Proctor & Gamble has had continuing
>difficulties over the years with some idiotic rumor that they are a Satanic
>organization. They have spent untold amounts of money to squash this rumor
>whenever it comes up. It may sound dumb, but it might be best not to ignore
>this sort of stupidity, since there are a lot of people in this country who do
>not know any better.
>
This is true. It had something to do with their logo, which contained stars
and a moon. It is also true that it is not good to just ignore such claims,
since they can take on a life of their own. Perhaps a judicious re-write of
some of the cute jokes referred to earlier on this thread that are in
Slackware would calm the seas a little.
And, there certainly are extremists that are equally crazy in Europe. Where,
afer all, did all this fear of ``witchcraft'' come from, if not from Druid and
other pagan religions that were supplanted by Christianity in Europe. Also,
read the news; there are a few crazies still there. The rest are in
Southern California...
>-Eric
>--
>"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
>And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."
>
--
David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
Department of Mathematics
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In article <CJDx29.4Ex@world.std.com>,
Lawrence Foard <entropy@world.std.com> wrote:
>In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
>Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
>>of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
>>"Wicca's" (Satanists) He claims that several different sources have
>>claimed this and that even the prodigy organization has posted a
>>message about it.
>
>Hahahahhahah :)
>I've met the maker of Slackware he wasn't wearing pentagrams or drinking
>blood. There are some hidden things in Slackware but they have nothing to
>do with Satanism, I won't spoil the surprise.
HA! Then explain why it says this on the last line of my screen:
"/etc/passwd" 18 lines, 666 characters
Need I say more?
PS: 18 is 6+6+6
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From: lruppert@mothra.syr.edu (Ludwig Van.)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <1994Jan9.221402.36618@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON) writes:
>If ANY OS (and I use the term loosly) were devised by Satan, don't you think
>DOS would be the best candidate?
Nooo. It says in the Bible, (Proverbs?) That idle hands do the devils
work. You have to press ctrl-alt-del almost constantly with dos and
windows, so that can't be the devil's OS. Macintoshes are the devil's
OS. Remember the christian story that the devil tempted Eve with an
*Apple*? Where do you think that mouse-shaped lump in men's throats
comes from?
(sorry for the off-topicness, but it is not often that theology and
computer science cross paths, and being both a computer addict and
devoutly religious, my non-idle fingers couldn't resist an opportunity
to post.)
-Lou Ruppert
Semi-Professional UNIX weenie.
>--
>
>David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
>Department of Mathematics
>Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015 Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office)
> 215-828-3708 (home)
>Linux, the people's unix.
--
"Until you stalk and overrun, you can't devour anyone." -Hobbes
Lou Ruppert lruppert@mailbox.syr.edu
Note that the opinions expressed above are most likely not those of
Computing Services, for whom I am currently working. I value my job.
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I LOVE THIS!!
I was browsing here to figure which version of Linux to install,
but after this, I think that I hve no choice but to install Slackware now.
Wicca = Satanism
Gonzo = Satan
So thats why all the cartoons of witches have really long noses!
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In article <1994Jan9.172704.26589@rosevax.rosemount.com> grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:
>
>Point 1: Subliminal messages don't work, so why worry.
>Point 2: Run "strings" on any suspected program. (I suppose that the
> author of strings is part of the great satanic (or was it
> wiccan) global conspiracy.
>
First things first.
This "satanism" thing is rather silly, and I don't believe
even for an attosecond (1x10^-18 sec :) that Linux flashes subliminal
messages praising the devil.
However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery. One
could for example write a back door into a program that takes a
certain password without strings finding it. I know from
experience. The following C fragment illustrates:
char foobar[5]
foobar[4]='n'
foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
foobar[0]='S'
foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
would find it? NOT!
Of course I don't think anything of the sort is being done in
the case of Linux/Slackware, I must stress that those rumors are total
BS.
But I must also stress, strings on a binary, while useful,
will NOT protect you from everything (e.g. back door passwords) if the
attacker is clever enough. Trust me on this.
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In article <CJ9Fox.59s@sci.kun.nl>, pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer) writes:
> moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) writes:
>
> >(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
> >subliminal messages...)
>
> You mean, like, after backwards masking of pop records (or simple forwards
> masking in the case of Slayer and Morbid Angel ]:^) and parental advisory
> stickers on metal CD's we'll now get a "Source Code Against Satanism" lobby
> campaign?
>
> No doubt your system administrators will be forced to convert their daemons
> to aengels ;^>
>
> Gawd don't you just *love* Americans...
>
> Peter Herweijer
> pieterh@sci.kun.nl
Yes, and you know what this will mean.....
Since aengels only serve God, your machine won't work.
And you thought you had problems before ;)
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In article <CJDx29.4Ex@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
>I've met the maker of Slackware he wasn't wearing pentagrams or drinking
>blood. There are some hidden things in Slackware but they have nothing to
>do with Satanism, I won't spoil the surprise. Hint, the name Slackware is
>the first clue...
>
Hmm...I don't like "surprises" on systems that I use to process some
extremely important data. I would like to request that you let me know
what these "surprises" are. And remember, surprises that are intended
to be benign don't always turn out that way (remember the great worm/virus
fiasco of the late 80's).
Isn't paranoia wonderful?
Jim
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In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>
> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
True.
>... The following C fragment illustrates:
>
>char foobar[5]
>foobar[4]='n'
>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>foobar[0]='S'
>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>
>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
>would find it? NOT!
Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
fail, of course.
> But I must also stress, strings on a binary, while useful,
>will NOT protect you from everything (e.g. back door passwords) if the
>attacker is clever enough. Trust me on this.
True.
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entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
Just as many have claimed that christians are ignorant and intolerant
of other religions...some dope posts this crap:
>
> The SBC (southern baptist convention) version, certified free of
> code written by sinners. Note incorrect answers to any initial
Christian != free of sin. The central core of christianity is that all
people are 'sinners' and only(sorta) through Christ can your sins be
forgiven and entrance into ever-lasting life attained. I say (sorta)
because judaism allows (or did in the old testament) blood
sacrifices--which christ's crucifixion now represents.
> questions will result in your modem dialing a central sinner
> tracking system for remedial "therapy".
>
> Here is the installation screen:
>
> SBC 2.3.5
>
> Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? y
> Do you listen to heavy metal? n
> Have you ever consumed any mind altering substance (wine doesn't count)? n
Not all christian denimonations have wine as part of the
ceromony(specifically southern baptist, the aforementioned denomination
of evil stupid christians).
> Have you ever had sex before marriage? n
> Have you ever lusted after members of the same sex? n
> Do you believe that sex on TV is worse than violence on TV? y
Well--on that note, it's not that hard to make an interesting story
without sex, but cut violence and you have barney--who is undeniably a
minion of satan. ;)
> Can condoms help prevent the spread of HIV? n
> Can condoms be used to prevent pregnancy? n
Whether or not condoms do or don't prevent HIV/pregnancy has nothing to
do with _conservative_ thinking on distribution of condoms in schools.
The primary concern in that argument is whether distribution==tacit
consent for sex in minors.
> Do you plan to use any programs that run backwards? n
> Would you like your modem configured to call the SBC bbs? y
> Would you like your drive scanned for unholy files before installation? y
> Scanning......
> Deleting cindy+mike+bob.gif
> Deleting communist-manifesto.txt
(beautiful idea, that manifesto. Human nature prevents its fruition,
IMHO)
> Deleting origin-of-the-species.ps
> Deleting aclu-newsletter43.txt
>
> Drive purified, press enter to continue:
>
> b
I understand that the post to which I replied was mostly in jest. But
I must protest the general emphasis of this thread (religious people
are sub-moronic haters of all things that are right). I personally
don't agree with wiccan==evil being, and that SLACKWARE should be
deleted based on it being produced by a wiccan(whether he is not).
But, IMHO, if somebody wants to remove a product with which they have a
problem with the producter of that products ideas or beliefs, they have
every right.
Russ.
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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
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In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov> de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>
>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>True.
>
>>... The following C fragment illustrates:
>>
>>char foobar[5]
>>foobar[4]='n'
>>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>>foobar[0]='S'
>>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>>
>>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
>>would find it? NOT!
>
>Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
>still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
>strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
...
Are you sure? and what will this program do?
char foobar[5]
...
printf("%s",foobar);
foobar[4]='n';
foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
foobar[0]='S';
foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
...
If 'strings -i satan' on the binary would produce 'satan', I would go and
sacrifice goats all over the place...
I confess I really love the original poster of the satan-in-slackware hoax.
The best laugh I had for weeks, reading all the reactions.
Paai.
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de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
> In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
> >
> >char foobar[5]
> >foobar[4]='n'
> >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
> >foobar[0]='S'
> >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
> >
> >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
> >would find it? NOT!
> Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
> still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
> strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
> fail, of course.
I hate to continue this almost-serious trend in what has otherwise
been an entirely ludicrous and irrelevant thread, but...
Frank may yet be right. You're loading those values into the array at
run-time, not compile time, so the instructions will be stored as a
sequence of memory and register accesses, not just a contiguous chunk
of data. If you could call strings on the running program's memory
segment after those lines of code had been executed, then the word
'satan' would probably be there, but unless the compiler does some
clever optimisation (which is altogether possible) you still won't
find the word in the binary.
An interesting point does arise though. I quickly tried a few tests of
this theory, by writing the relevant C and some equivalent Pascal (I
don't trust my C - I barely know the language). Whilst neither
delivered 'Satan' in the binary (even gcc -O2) the SunOS Pascal
compiler - I kid you not - came up with `atan.S' once and the word
`sin' many times. This, for me, is conclusive proof that Sun
Microsystems is a company founded on the unholy triptych of devil
worship, virgin-sacrifice, and proprietry operating systems.
I asked a reformed satanist for his views on this matter. He looked at
what I had found, shook his head gravely, and said the word
`trigonometry' before walking away. I presume that `trigonometry' is
some form of black art performed by satanists, and that Sun are
subliminally trying to make us more receptive to the idea.
Somebody in authority should be told.
John Waterson
watersoj@dcs.gla.ac.uk
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In article <1994Jan10.190251.18466@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, Schultz_Russell@semail.jsc.nasa.gov (Schultz, Russell) writes:
|>
|> I understand that the post to which I replied was mostly in jest. But
|> I must protest the general emphasis of this thread (religious people
|> are sub-moronic haters of all things that are right). I personally
|> don't agree with wiccan==evil being, and that SLACKWARE should be
|> deleted based on it being produced by a wiccan(whether he is not).
|> But, IMHO, if somebody wants to remove a product with which they have a
|> problem with the producter of that products ideas or beliefs, they have
|> every right.
But it should be pointed out to them that there is a 99.99% probability
that the computer that they are deleting the software from contains some
parts which were manufactured, assembled, and/or installed by a Buddist.
So, if that idiot is deleting the software because he does not wish to
contaminate himself with non-christian products, then he should quit
using the computer alltogether. Also, he should refrain from using most
VCRs, televisions, telephones, sterios, and many automobiles.
Join the fight against hipocrisy!! Do not allow science haters to use
the products of science!!
--
Larry D. Pyeatt All standard disclaimers apply.
pyeatt@cs.colostate.edu Void where prohibited.
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J.J. Paijmans (paai@kub.nl) wrote:
: In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov> de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
: >In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
: >>
: >>... The following C fragment illustrates:
: >>
: >>char foobar[5]
: >>foobar[4]='n'
: >>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
: >>foobar[0]='S'
: >>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
: >>
: >>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
: >>would find it? NOT!
: >
: >Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
: >still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
: >strings will find it.
: Are you sure?
No, apparently my head was up when my butt when I wrote that.
: I confess I really love the original poster of the satan-in-slackware hoax.
: The best laugh I had for weeks, reading all the reactions.
Really. People gullible (and/or stupid) enough to believe that rumor
deserve to spend the rest of eternity in hell, or, even worse, DOS!
Well, maybe that last is a little too harsh.
--
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Dave Sill (de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov) wrote:
: > However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
: >... The following C fragment illustrates:
: >
: >char foobar[5]
: >foobar[4]='n'
: >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
: >foobar[0]='S'
: >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
: >
: >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
: >would find it? NOT!
: Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but
: you're still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive
: locations, and strings will find it.
Nope. The letters S, a, t, a, n aren't consecutive until run time
when the execution of the program puts them into the array foobar. In
the object file, they aren't consecutive.
: Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would fail, of course.
To be safe, they should not use ANY files that contain any of the
following letters in either case:
SATAN, DEVIL, BEELZEBUB, 666, etc.
They should also avoid any files that contain bytes that can be
combined mathematically or logially with one another to produce any of
the suspect characters.
In fact, they better just stay at home under the covers and do nothing
but PRAY!
--
Grant Edwards |Yow! We are now enjoying
Rosemount Inc. |total mutual interaction in
|an imaginary hot tub...
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In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov> de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>
>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>True.
>
>>... The following C fragment illustrates:
>>
>>char foobar[5]
>>foobar[4]='n'
>>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>>foobar[0]='S'
>>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>>
>>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
>>would find it? NOT!
>
>Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
>still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
>strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
>fail, of course.
>
But they are only in consecutive locations of the process address space
_when it is running_. Before the calulcations are done, the letters
haven't been calulated (e.g. the t formed by adding 33 to S), and they
are operands to different machine instructions, etc. and are not consecutive.
Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is accessible.
I saw something like this used as a (IMHO) stupid way to embed a password
in a binary. Strings didn't find the password in the binary. Someone with
a lot of spare time could disassemble and figure it out though.
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ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>In article <CJ9CoJ.79o@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson) writes:
>>garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>>
>>> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
>>> of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
>>> "Wicca's" (Satanists).
>>
>>Your friend's name wouldn't be Peter McDonald by any chance?
>>
>>:-)
>>
>>John.
>Peter Macdonald. Now there is a person whose distribution _is_ bad
>enough to be called satanic.
>1/2 :)
Both of you keep your stupid personal insults to yourselves. Surely you're at
least in college; act like it.
Followups to /dev/null, or e-mail at best.
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From: kodak@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Jason 'KodaK' Balicki)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) writes:
>About Slackware, Satanists and subliminal messages: didn't you folks
>know that this 'subliminal message'-stuff was a hoax. I'll look up
>the references if you want, but the original 'inventors' of the short
>advertising-flash inserted in the reel of a movie have admitted that
>they invented the story in order to raise money to examine excactly
>that phenomenom.
>When the possibility of inflencing people by those means was again
>experimented with, no confirmation was found.
>Hans Paijmans.
Dear Mr Pajamas:
The "subliminal flash" that you speak of being a hoax is in fact
not a hoax. It a true fact proven time and time again.
In the "WEEKLY WORLD NEWS" there was a story of a man who bought
500 boxes of Crest toothpaste because HIS SUBCONCIOUS MIND PICKED IT OFF
OF A TV ADD.
Thank you,
Jason_-_Balicki
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Keith Moore (moore@cs.utk.edu) wrote:
: (Not sure, but I don't
: think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
You're right !
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <1994Jan10.145129.13316@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu>,
<jwest@jwest.ecen.okstate.edu> wrote:
>In article <CJDx29.4Ex@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
>
>>I've met the maker of Slackware he wasn't wearing pentagrams or drinking
>>blood. There are some hidden things in Slackware but they have nothing to
>>do with Satanism, I won't spoil the surprise. Hint, the name Slackware is
>>the first clue...
>>
>
>Hmm...I don't like "surprises" on systems that I use to process some
>extremely important data. I would like to request that you let me know
>what these "surprises" are. And remember, surprises that are intended
>to be benign don't always turn out that way (remember the great worm/virus
>fiasco of the late 80's).
>
>Isn't paranoia wonderful?
Its text contained in some obscure files, nothing that will get executed.
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From: muts@compi.hobby.nl (Peter Mutsaers)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
In-Reply-To: U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL's message of Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:56:44 GMT
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>> On Fri, 7 Jan 1994 16:56:44 GMT, U001295@HNYKUN11.URC.KUN.NL
>> (R. Schalk) said:
RS> Well I agree completely, I guess it's best to end this
RS> discussion, this crap could only harm Linux. The same thing
RS> happened with Marlboro & the KKK thing. These things can be
RS> horrific for products even if they're non-commercial.
Indeed. Who would be behind this? Novell? Microsoft? They must be
feeling threatened because Linux might make their OS products
superfluous in the future.
--
Peter Mutsaers, Bunnik (Ut), the Netherlands.
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Disclaimer: This reflects the official opinions of my employer.
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From: rpjday@cuug.ab.ca (R. Day)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Lawrence Foard (entropy@world.std.com) wrote:
: I thought I'd pass this on to sci.skeptic, its to funny to pass up:
: In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
: Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
: >I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: >claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
This is a totally nonsensical claim as there is a world of difference
between Wicca and Satanism. Anyone making this kind of claim has only
proven how thorougly ignorant and gullible they really are.
R. Day
Vice-chair, Alberta Skeptics
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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: > I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: > claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
: > He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
: > the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
: > this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
: > this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: > 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: > machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Ouch.
Good luck in the psychiatrics.
Ciao,
hm
: > All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here you go.
--
Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de)
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From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>
>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>accessible.
I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
P.S. This entire thread belongs in alt.computers.religion, not
comp.os.linux.misc. Followups redirected.
--
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| languages should program in lambda calculus or
| machine language, depending." --Andrew Koenig.
fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU | For the humour impaired -----------------> :-)
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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Dave Sill (de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov) wrote:
: In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
: >char foobar[5]
: >foobar[4]='n'
: >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
: >foobar[0]='S'
: >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
: >
: >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
: >would find it? NOT!
: Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
: still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
: strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
: fail, of course.
..I edited a bit to shorten the text. Sorry, if I changed the meaning..
I tend to not agree with your assertion. String will not be able to find
what you expect. The Array is initialized at runtime. If you would check
the in-memory data segment at runtime after the code initialized the array,
then you would be able to find the offending string.
This thread is better the the comedy hour on cable :-)
Remco
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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de wrote:
: Keith Moore (moore@cs.utk.edu) wrote:
: : (Not sure, but I don't
: : think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
: You're right !
That was totally uncalled for !-)
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From: misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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On Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:31:13 GMT, paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) wrote:
> In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov> de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill
> ) writes:
> >In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofa
> ro) writes:
> >>
> >> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
> >
> >True.
> >
> >>... The following C fragment illustrates:
> >>
> >>char foobar[5]
> >>foobar[4]='n'
> >>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
> >>foobar[0]='S'
> >>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
> >>
> >>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
> >>would find it? NOT!
> >
> >Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
> >still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
> >strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
> ...
>
> Are you sure? and what will this program do?
>
> char foobar[5]
> ...
> printf("%s",foobar);
>
> foobar[4]='n';
> foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
> foobar[0]='S';
> foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
> ...
>
> If 'strings -i satan' on the binary would produce 'satan', I would go and
> sacrifice goats all over the place...
>
> I confess I really love the original poster of the satan-in-slackware hoax.
> The best laugh I had for weeks, reading all the reactions.
The only thing that might happen, would be a satanic core dump. You forgot
to end up the array with a 0x0 ;-)
Just 4 information and to prevent some "what does 'satan' dump core"
questions.
MM.
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From: drdave@wvolusia.oau.org (David Vessell)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Allow me to enumerate my comments.
1. Anything called 'Slackware' is more likely to have been put together
by Subgenii than anyone else. A typical Subgenius is a little eccentric
but largely harmless.
2. Wiccans are not Satanists. They're probably closer to Druids than
anyone else.
3. Your friend and everyone like him should realize their imaginations are
getting the better of them.
4. Prodigy is much closer to Evil Incarnate than Slackware likely is.
--
------ dR.Dave....Making the world safe for intelligent dance music. -------
David Vessell---West Volusia Cyberspace--DeLand,FL---drdave@wvolusia.oau.org
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From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <CJJ8Lr.Dnt@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de> misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:
>On Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:31:13 GMT, paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans) wrote:
>
...
>>
>> Are you sure? and what will this program do?
>>
>> char foobar[5]
>> ...
>> printf("%s",foobar);
>>
>> foobar[4]='n';
>> foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>> foobar[0]='S';
>> foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>> ...
>>
>> If 'strings -i satan' on the binary would produce 'satan', I would go and
>> sacrifice goats all over the place...
>>
>> I confess I really love the original poster of the satan-in-slackware hoax.
>> The best laugh I had for weeks, reading all the reactions.
>
>The only thing that might happen, would be a satanic core dump. You forgot
>to end up the array with a 0x0 ;-)
You won't catch me that easy. The dots above the print statement
mean exactly that 8^)
>
>MM.
>
Paai.
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From: person@plains.NoDak.edu (Brett Person)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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We've said it for years. Now computer science really *has* become a
religeous argument. maybe we should create comp.os.linux.religieon?
I know Pat very well,and the crap is really silly. Maybe the hell account is
there cause he did a hell of a job putting things together. Satan could be
used to keep track of daemon processes. Snake-pit. See MIT.
--
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Due to budgetary constraints, the light at the end of the tunnel is being
turned off.
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <1994Jan9.174734.29137@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
+---------------
| There is also the "Temple of Set" which worships an Egyptian god named
| Set. They are sometimes called satanists, but I haven't figured out
| why.
+---------------
Trivial. The brain-deaders honestly believe that anyone who worships anything
(or nothing!) different from *their* God, in *their* way, is a "Satanist".
I haven't the faintest idea what said idiots use their *God*given*for-crying-
out-loud!!! brains for, but it's NOT for thinking.
++Brandon
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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
References: <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> <1994Jan9.172704.26589@rosevax.rosemount.com> <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu> <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov>
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In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov>, de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) says:
+---------------
| In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
| >char foobar[5]
| >foobar[4]='n'
| >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
| >foobar[0]='S'
| >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
| >
| >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
| >would find it? NOT!
|
| Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
| still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
| strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
| fail, of course.
+---------------
Won't work on the binary, either; it *will* work on /proc/<pid>/mem *after*
the assignments execute. The binary, however, contains a bunch of assembler
statements whose disassembly looks roughly like:
movb $0x6e,0xfffffffc(%ebp)
movb $0x61,0xfffffff9(%ebp)
movb $0x61,0xfffffffb(%ebp)
movb $0x53,0xfffffff8(%ebp)
movb 0xfffffff8(%ebp),%dl
addb $0x21,%dl
movb %dl,0xfffffffa(%ebp)
Not much in that that strings can decompose...
++Brandon
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From: nick@quay.ie (Nick Hilliard)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Message-ID: <1994Jan13.230044.19307@quay.ie>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 23:00:44 GMT
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In Article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> "garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)" says:
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
> claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
> He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
> the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
> this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
> this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
One sure way to exorcise your Linux box is the following:
find / -perm 666 -exec rm {} ';'
For further information, see exorcise(1).
[ Smiley for the humor impaired: :-) ]
Seriously, though, this is one of the most bizarre net.rumors I have seen in
a long time. Well, I guess, variety is the spice of life.
Nick
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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>In article <CJDx29.4Ex@world.std.com> entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
>
>>I've met the maker of Slackware he wasn't wearing pentagrams or drinking
>>blood. There are some hidden things in Slackware but they have nothing to
>>do with Satanism, I won't spoil the surprise. Hint, the name Slackware is
>>the first clue...
>>
>
>Hmm...I don't like "surprises" on systems that I use to process some
>extremely important data. I would like to request that you let me know
>what these "surprises" are.
Send me two dollars, and I'll tell you. Or kill me.
>. . .Isn't paranoia wonderful?
Do you know how easy is it to control someone in that state of mind?
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Actually a release called "The Satanware Unix Distribution" would pull
in a lot of young male hobbiests.
Dave
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In article <CJG1wx.2FE@cuug.ab.ca> rpjday@cuug.ab.ca (R. Day) writes:
>This is a totally nonsensical claim as there is a world of difference
>between Wicca and Satanism. Anyone making this kind of claim has only
>proven how thorougly ignorant and gullible they really are.
Not that I disagree at all with the above, but it amazes me how it
is considered possible for someone who does not believe in any
incarnation of ultimate evil to be a satanist.
I guess it's all part of "never suffer a thinker to live".
Oh, that's not what they said, is it? Just what they seem to mean.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Okay, this doesn't belong here, and this is getting old...but!
Well, while grep'ing for Satan in my AIX (IBM RS/6000) /dev/kmem...IBM
decided to have a very virtuous (or not) operating system. My machine
hung after it had pulled up all the rn headers with Satan in them
(i.e., this thread!)....soon after it pulled up those messages, BOOM!
Instant panic. I guess IBM doesn't want you to find Satan, or Satan
doesn't want him to find him in AIX! (Yes, my machine died,
completely, and rebooted itself. No, on my little 3LED panel I did
NOT see 666....I will note that IBM has NO 6 based error codes...did
they want to avoid Satan? I will say, that on a newer machine than
mine...666 WILL and DOES appear when loading up a driver for a NONIBM
peripheral!!!!) Weird. Silly and STUPID.
This thread has given me a wonderful laugh even my totally
noncomputer literate mother in law when she was visiting last week
had a great laugh (and I can't ever get her to laugh under any
circumstances!)
(I'll note that if I grep for ANYTHING in /dev/kmem, it'll panic and
reboot....) My machine also has no 3rd party stuff, so no 666 in my
machine! (The box at work does, and it's funny seeing that 'ol 666 go
by after every reboot but I only remembered the 666 after the
earthquake and I had to go reboot the machines after the mega power
failure).
Have fun! (Why doesn't someone write a driver for the old Everex
386/20 machines that had the LED panel....what a kick that would be...
sneak it into the kernel distribution "666 booting linux"...or,
better yet, "666 you didn't boot Linux you fool!")
***********************************************************************
Nathan D. Lane, VP Triicon Systems. Lompoc, CA (805) 7331849
NaN != 6, 6 == 1. I am not a number, I am a free list!
I'm a programmer my computers are more valuable than my cars.
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From: cam@DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham)
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Subject: satan in the machine
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I can't believe this! I just can't. I've been away from the Linux
discussion for 6 months and I come back to find this?!
An almost exact repeat of what happened with Doom in pc.action.
Ok - the games up. Yes, the Unix community is really made up of
devil worshipers. No question about it - look at all those daemons
running amok on these systems! Sheesh.
Well, I have one question :- If having Satan written or stored in any
way means or form is a cause for concern, perhaps these Xtian's who
get so upperty about it would like to have a lobotomy? After all, they
must have the word and idea stored in their brains.
Get a life people.
And, yes, this is off topic (just like the other dozen or so messages
on this thread).
-cameron.
(a happy atheist who doesn't get upset over mere words or ideas).
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From: strike@steam.rome.ny.us (Tim "Strikemaster" Bowser)
Subject: Re: satan in the machine
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cam@DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:
>I can't believe this! I just can't. I've been away from the Linux
>discussion for 6 months and I come back to find this?!
>An almost exact repeat of what happened with Doom in pc.action.
>Ok - the games up. Yes, the Unix community is really made up of
>devil worshipers. No question about it - look at all those daemons
>running amok on these systems! Sheesh.
I've heard it said that "God is in the details", so those who live for
tweaking source code must be "in balance" as far as this religious thing
goes.
My first and last input on the subject...
>Get a life people.
Never happen.
>And, yes, this is off topic (just like the other dozen or so messages
>on this thread).
>-cameron.
>(a happy atheist who doesn't get upset over mere words or ideas).
Count me as a Transcendental Atheistic Christian Karmatic Yuppie
(T.A.C.K.Y) ... :)
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From: derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones)
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Subject: serious comment about satan in /dev/mem
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I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
# mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
MAILTO=satan
A search of /etc/crond does not reveal this message. I am not particularly
worried about the supposed "satanism" aspect of this, (BTW the biblical
references to 666 in revelation are that a.) it is the number of man and
b.) that knowing this is a comfort to Christians. If you ask yourself why -
it's because of satan's ultimate defeat. That's what revelation is all
about***), rather the fact that all mail from crontab is supposedly redirected
to a user name I have removed . . .
Any ideas?
***I'm not saying I wouldn't do something more drastic about perhaps removing
Slackware on the machines I run it on but that having followed this discussion
with some despair at ignorance, *and* technical interest I see no immediate
reason to do so. I have enjoyed using what seems to me to be pretty stable
release.
kind regards
Derek
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In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
Derek Jones <derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
> # mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
> MAILTO=satan
Apparently this is from the Slackware pre-installed root crontab, look
in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs. (I have come across this when a partial
re-install of the system replaced my root crontab with one containing
this header...)
Oh, btw., there are newsgroups better suited for discussion of
religious topics than c.o.l.m.
Olaf
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From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs)
Subject: Re: serious comment about satan in /dev/mem
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In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
>
>I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
>discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
>mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
>sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
Now what was it again that you typed in order to search for the string
"satan". Can you see any command that is now running with the string
satan in it? I can name two straight of, not counting how many times your
shell will hold the command line.
Try this
strings /dev/mem | grep -i "ThisIsAStupidExecise"
and see how many you get for that.
The lack of :-)s in your post worries me that you might have been serious!
Jon.
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From: burley@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley)
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In article <1994Jan14.193220.7127@cato.robots.ox.ac.uk> jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs) writes:
Try this
strings /dev/mem | grep -i "ThisIsAStupidExecise"
and see how many you get for that.
Well, I just tried that on my old SLS system, and got over 35 matches!!
I'll never use SLS again. Imagine wasting so much of my precious
memory on a string as obviously useless as "ThisIsAStupidExercise"
(I corrected your spelling)?!?!?!???
:-) :-) :-)
Seriously, I _was_ a little suprised to see some interesting strings
come up when I subsequently tried the command with "satan"...then I
tried it with "wasting" before typing the smileys above but while doing
this post (working in another VC) and, hey! "Imagine wasting so much
of my precious" came up! (While checking for "satan", I was still looking
at a post on the subject on another VC.)
Guess this proves that if you go looking for Satan, you're going to
find him! (This doesn't surprise me at all. :-)
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In <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
>I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
>discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
>mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
>sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
Everything displayed on your screen will be found in /dev/mem. Leave
this message, or one that contains several copies of whatever string you're
looking for on the screen, and try the grep . Wow! Most of the occurances
are from that screen. Try 'grep -i -4 satan /dev/mem' to get some context.
># mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
>MAILTO=satan
This is from Slackware's /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root file, as
distributed in 1.02 at least. Of course within a few days mine said
"MAILTO=jacobsd" as it still does. There's not some magical mystical
smail link that somehow routes all mail from any user named 'satan'
to the netherworld. I can see these programmers now, worrying about
which Powers they might have forgot ... "Thor's Hammer, Todd! You
almost forgot the code to route Odin's mail! Now what was that
address again, was it valhalla.com or valhalla.no?" "Uh, valhalla.gov
I think. Now where do we route mail to The Nameless One?"
>A search of /etc/crond does not reveal this message. I am not particularly
>worried about the supposed "satanism" aspect of this, [...]
But some people seem to be. Too bad he didn't make another user
called 'jesus' (which means just as much to Linux and sendmail as
'satan' does) so people could post how all mail was personally read by
Jesus Himself (except some people would take offence at it being
'jesus' instead of 'Jesus'). If this goes on we'll be showing up on
the 700 Club before long, seeing how "EUNICS" is a work of Satanists
and how all good Christians should be sure to use something like DOS
or just send more money to Pat Robertson. Heck, they'd probably
misunderstand and before you know it, the whole Internet is a vile
scheme of the liberal democrats, er oops, Satanists.
Still, this is one of the more entertaining threads in a while. My
worry is that people will just see parts of it and believe it. I
mean, Satanic Wiccans indeed! "OK, now for the blood sacrifices!"
"Hey! All life is sacred, remember?" "Oh yeah, er, maybe we could
fake it..." The evil Gonzo -- Praise be to the Long Nosed One!
--
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white men came, an Indian said simply, ``Ours.''"
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Olaf Titz (uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
: In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
: Derek Jones <derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
: > # mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
: > MAILTO=satan
: Apparently this is from the Slackware pre-installed root crontab, look
: in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs. (I have come across this when a partial
: re-install of the system replaced my root crontab with one containing
: this header...)
: Oh, btw., there are newsgroups better suited for discussion of
: religious topics than c.o.l.m.
Are you sure? _Really_? ;)
Jim
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In article <2h79ii$nao@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, <jacobsd@heart.cor.epa.gov> wrote:
>to the netherworld. I can see these programmers now, worrying about
>which Powers they might have forgot ... "Thor's Hammer, Todd! You
>almost forgot the code to route Odin's mail! Now what was that
>address again, was it valhalla.com or valhalla.no?" "Uh, valhalla.gov
>I think. Now where do we route mail to The Nameless One?"
Try to send it to @ :-)
--
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Subject: Re: serious comment about satan in /dev/mem
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In article <BURLEY.94Jan14180355@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu> burley@mole.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Craig Burley) writes:
]In article <1994Jan14.193220.7127@cato.robots.ox.ac.uk> jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs) writes:
] strings /dev/mem | grep -i "ThisIsAStupidExecise"
] and see how many you get for that.
]Well, I just tried that on my old SLS system, and got over 35 matches!!
]I'll never use SLS again. Imagine wasting so much of my precious
]memory on a string as obviously useless as "ThisIsAStupidExercise"
]Guess this proves that if you go looking for Satan, you're going to
]find him! (This doesn't surprise me at all. :-)
Remember there is good and evil everywhere. Just try:
strings /dev/mem|grep -i "Jesus"|wc -l
I just tried:
Jesus --> 363
Satan --> 512
God --> 23
Holy Ghost --> 19
HolyGhost --> 21
The Lord --> 42
333 --> 27
666 --> 175
So it looks like the devil is more prevalent than God in my system.
Obcourse this doesn't tell me which is more powerfull. But if I check
my Gif collection, I would say the devil is winning hands down.
:-) :-) :-)
Bill
P.S. Do those really look like smily faces to anyone? How about:
o o o o O O
^ ! |
\___/ \___/ \___/
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Subject: Re: serious comment about satan in /dev/mem
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In article <1994Jan14.193220.7127@cato.robots.ox.ac.uk>, jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs) writes:
>In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
>>
>>I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
>>discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
>>mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
>>sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
>
>Now what was it again that you typed in order to search for the string
>"satan". Can you see any command that is now running with the string
>satan in it? I can name two straight of, not counting how many times your
>shell will hold the command line.
>
>Try this
>
>strings /dev/mem | grep -i "ThisIsAStupidExecise"
>
>and see how many you get for that.
>
For those who don't get the joke: just look for it; it will be there..
But then, look at the context, and you'll see why it's there.
--
David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015 Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office)
215-828-3708 (home)
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uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz) writes:
>In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
>Derek Jones <derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk> wrote:
>> # mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
>> MAILTO=satan
>
>Apparently this is from the Slackware pre-installed root crontab, look
>in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs. (I have come across this when a partial
>re-install of the system replaced my root crontab with one containing
>this header...)
Since I do not choose to load the package which contains the additional user
accounts (satan, et al.), my version of /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root reads
thus:
# mail any output to `postmaster' no matter whose crontab this is
MAILTO=postmaster
If it is true that installing these "demo" user accounts results in a modified
crontab file, than that is clearly inappropriate. However the fix is simple...
don't install "user" accounts for users that don't exist on your system. The
package descriptions for the slackware distribution were descriptive enough
that I knew to avoid them, however no mention of altered crontab entries was
made.
What's the final story?
>--
> olaf titz o olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org praetorius@irc
> comp.sc.student _>\ _ s_titz@ira.uka.de LINUX - the choice
>karlsruhe germany (_)<(_) uknf@dkauni2.bitnet of a GNU generation
>what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue
--
-- Lee E. Brotzman Internet: brotzman@nssdca.gsfc.nasa.gov
-- Hughes STX, NSSDC DECNET: NSSDCA::BROTZMAN
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In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
|> # mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
|> MAILTO=satan
|>
|> A search of /etc/crond does not reveal this message.
|> Any ideas?
|>
I am not sure but I think it was somewhere in var/spool/cron* - something
I have found this text some time ago and removed. Can anyone give the correct path?
Thilo
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From: ganter@fvkmapc02.tu-graz.ac.at (Fritz Ganter)
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Derek Jones (derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk) wrote:
: I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
: discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
: mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
: sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
: # mail any output to `satan' no matter whose crontab this is
: MAILTO=satan
: A search of /etc/crond does not reveal this message. I am not particularly
You find it in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root
: worried about the supposed "satanism" aspect of this, (BTW the biblical
: references to 666 in revelation are that a.) it is the number of man and
: b.) that knowing this is a comfort to Christians. If you ask yourself why -
: it's because of satan's ultimate defeat. That's what revelation is all
: about***), rather the fact that all mail from crontab is supposedly redirected
: to a user name I have removed . . .
: Any ideas?
: ***I'm not saying I wouldn't do something more drastic about perhaps removing
: Slackware on the machines I run it on but that having followed this discussion
: with some despair at ignorance, *and* technical interest I see no immediate
: reason to do so. I have enjoyed using what seems to me to be pretty stable
: release.
: kind regards
: Derek
: --
: Derek Jones.
: System Manager.
: A.I. Vision Research Unit, Sheffield University, Western Bank,
: Sheffield. S10 2TN. U.K.
: Tel: (+44) (0)742 826551 email: D.G.Jones@aivru.sheffield.ac.uk
: FAX: (+44) (0)742 766515
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********** Linux... try it, use it, love it. ************
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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: serious comment about satan in /dev/mem
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Jon Tombs (jon@robots.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: > In article <2h62o4$j9t@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> derek@aivru.shef.ac.uk (Derek Jones) writes:
: > >
: > >I have done a strings /dev/mem | grep -i satan and as mentioned
: > >discovered a number of occurences. (not as many as the several hundred
: > >mentioned by a previous poster.) However, a couple that particularly made me
: > >sit up and look were the following (from a purely technical point of view):
: > Now what was it again that you typed in order to search for the string
: > "satan". Can you see any command that is now running with the string
: > satan in it? I can name two straight of, not counting how many times your
: > shell will hold the command line.
: > Try this
: > strings /dev/mem | grep -i "ThisIsAStupidExecise"
: > and see how many you get for that.
: > The lack of :-)s in your post worries me that you might have been serious!
Yup, and the next thing those folks are gonna do is eliminate all files
with 666 perms ;-)
Ciao,
hm
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From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: In defense of Slackware
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It's a shame that Slackware has gotten all this negative baggage about
Satanic versus. I just upgraded my machine with slackware 1.1.1, and found
it to be the easiest distribution yet.
I've used mcc-interim (linux 0.96c I believe), SLS 1.02, and now Slackware.
This was very easy to install. In fact, I did a lot of things by hand before,
like setting up the filesystems using fdisk and mke2fs, that are part of
the installation (at least installing the filesystems was). The distribution
was very complete, and relatively bug-free.
My worst problems were involved in downloading all those disks: household
hint: use new disks for this. I did half of it over the modem, since I
ran out of time at the office.
One thing to be sure about: my installation did not set /etc/rc.d/rc.M to
the right permissions, so it did not run at bootup. If you can't get your
domain name, check this. But hey, the earlier distributions had so many
incorrect permissions it took days to track them down.
It is a BIG collection of stuff. Installing eerything would have to take
130-140 meg.
I reccomend not letting it install whole disk sets automatically, but have it
ask you what you want. That prevents you from having 10 unwanted news servers
on a stand-alone machine like mine.
Again, nice job.
--
David L. Johnson ID: dlj0@lehigh.edu
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015 Telephone: 215-758-3759 (office)
215-828-3708 (home)
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Subject: In defense of Slackware
From: john.will@satalink.com (John Will)
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D >It's a shame that Slackware has gotten all this negative baggage about
D >Satanic versus. I just upgraded my machine with slackware 1.1.1, and found
D >it to be the easiest distribution yet.
I doubt there is any significant "negative baggage". Any one stupid enough
to believe that garbage isn't going to be a serious Linux user anyway. :-)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>
> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
True.
>... The following C fragment illustrates:
>
>char foobar[5]
>foobar[4]='n'
>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>foobar[0]='S'
>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>
>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
>would find it? NOT!
Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
fail, of course.
> But I must also stress, strings on a binary, while useful,
>will NOT protect you from everything (e.g. back door passwords) if the
>attacker is clever enough. Trust me on this.
True.
--
Dave Sill (de5@ornl.gov) Computers should work the way beginners
Martin Marietta Energy Systems expect them to, and one day they will.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 17:07:15 GMT
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In article <757972208snx@crynwr.com> nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes:
>In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu> garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu writes:
> It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by
> the install program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo,
> Snake-Pit".
>
>That's the problem right there. Anything that mentions Satan is
>evil.
Grin.. most preachers and religious books mention him a lot. Guess that
says it all [And Russ has done the same just now]
Alan
Hail Eris!
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In article <CJDy3F.7AC@world.std.com>
entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
Just as many have claimed that christians are ignorant and intolerant
of other religions...some dope posts this crap:
>
> The SBC (southern baptist convention) version, certified free of
> code written by sinners. Note incorrect answers to any initial
Christian != free of sin. The central core of christianity is that all
people are 'sinners' and only(sorta) through Christ can your sins be
forgiven and entrance into ever-lasting life attained. I say (sorta)
because judaism allows (or did in the old testament) blood
sacrifices--which christ's crucifixion now represents.
> questions will result in your modem dialing a central sinner
> tracking system for remedial "therapy".
>
> Here is the installation screen:
>
> SBC 2.3.5
>
> Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? y
> Do you listen to heavy metal? n
> Have you ever consumed any mind altering substance (wine doesn't count)? n
Not all christian denimonations have wine as part of the
ceromony(specifically southern baptist, the aforementioned denomination
of evil stupid christians).
> Have you ever had sex before marriage? n
> Have you ever lusted after members of the same sex? n
> Do you believe that sex on TV is worse than violence on TV? y
Well--on that note, it's not that hard to make an interesting story
without sex, but cut violence and you have barney--who is undeniably a
minion of satan. ;)
> Can condoms help prevent the spread of HIV? n
> Can condoms be used to prevent pregnancy? n
Whether or not condoms do or don't prevent HIV/pregnancy has nothing to
do with _conservative_ thinking on distribution of condoms in schools.
The primary concern in that argument is whether distribution==tacit
consent for sex in minors.
> Do you plan to use any programs that run backwards? n
> Would you like your modem configured to call the SBC bbs? y
> Would you like your drive scanned for unholy files before installation? y
> Scanning......
> Deleting cindy+mike+bob.gif
> Deleting communist-manifesto.txt
(beautiful idea, that manifesto. Human nature prevents its fruition,
IMHO)
> Deleting origin-of-the-species.ps
> Deleting aclu-newsletter43.txt
>
> Drive purified, press enter to continue:
>
> b
I understand that the post to which I replied was mostly in jest. But
I must protest the general emphasis of this thread (religious people
are sub-moronic haters of all things that are right). I personally
don't agree with wiccan==evil being, and that SLACKWARE should be
deleted based on it being produced by a wiccan(whether he is not).
But, IMHO, if somebody wants to remove a product with which they have a
problem with the producter of that products ideas or beliefs, they have
every right.
Russ.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Message-ID: <1994Jan10.193113.21923@kub.nl>
From: paai@kub.nl (J.J. Paijmans)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 19:31:13 GMT
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In article <1994Jan10.174317.28356@ornl.gov> de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
>In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>
>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>True.
>
>>... The following C fragment illustrates:
>>
>>char foobar[5]
>>foobar[4]='n'
>>foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
>>foobar[0]='S'
>>foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
>>
>>The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
>>would find it? NOT!
>
>Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
>still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
>strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
...
Are you sure? and what will this program do?
char foobar[5]
...
printf("%s",foobar);
foobar[4]='n';
foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
foobar[0]='S';
foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
...
If 'strings -i satan' on the binary would produce 'satan', I would go and
sacrifice goats all over the place...
I confess I really love the original poster of the satan-in-slackware hoax.
The best laugh I had for weeks, reading all the reactions.
Paai.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 21:21:21 GMT
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de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov (Dave Sill) writes:
> In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
> >
> >char foobar[5]
> >foobar[4]='n'
> >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
> >foobar[0]='S'
> >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
> >
> >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
> >would find it? NOT!
> Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
> still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
> strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
> fail, of course.
I hate to continue this almost-serious trend in what has otherwise
been an entirely ludicrous and irrelevant thread, but...
Frank may yet be right. You're loading those values into the array at
run-time, not compile time, so the instructions will be stored as a
sequence of memory and register accesses, not just a contiguous chunk
of data. If you could call strings on the running program's memory
segment after those lines of code had been executed, then the word
'satan' would probably be there, but unless the compiler does some
clever optimisation (which is altogether possible) you still won't
find the word in the binary.
An interesting point does arise though. I quickly tried a few tests of
this theory, by writing the relevant C and some equivalent Pascal (I
don't trust my C - I barely know the language). Whilst neither
delivered 'Satan' in the binary (even gcc -O2) the SunOS Pascal
compiler - I kid you not - came up with `atan.S' once and the word
`sin' many times. This, for me, is conclusive proof that Sun
Microsystems is a company founded on the unholy triptych of devil
worship, virgin-sacrifice, and proprietry operating systems.
I asked a reformed satanist for his views on this matter. He looked at
what I had found, shook his head gravely, and said the word
`trigonometry' before walking away. I presume that `trigonometry' is
some form of black art performed by satanists, and that Sun are
subliminally trying to make us more receptive to the idea.
Somebody in authority should be told.
John Waterson
watersoj@dcs.gla.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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Lawrence Foard (entropy@world.std.com) wrote:
: I thought I'd pass this on to sci.skeptic, its to funny to pass up:
: In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
: Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
: >I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: >claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
This is a totally nonsensical claim as there is a world of difference
between Wicca and Satanism. Anyone making this kind of claim has only
proven how thorougly ignorant and gullible they really are.
R. Day
Vice-chair, Alberta Skeptics
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
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Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: > I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: > claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
: > He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
: > the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
: > this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
: > this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: > 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: > machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Ouch.
Good luck in the psychiatrics.
Ciao,
hm
: > All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Here you go.
--
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Fergus Henderson)
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ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>
>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>
>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>accessible.
I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
P.S. This entire thread belongs in alt.computers.religion, not
comp.os.linux.misc. Followups redirected.
--
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| languages should program in lambda calculus or
| machine language, depending." --Andrew Koenig.
fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU | For the humour impaired -----------------> :-)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 04:38:07 GMT
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Dave Sill (de5@de5.ctd.ornl.gov) wrote:
: In article <1994Jan10.060701.25451@unlv.edu>, ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
: >char foobar[5]
: >foobar[4]='n'
: >foobar[3]=foobar[1]='a';
: >foobar[0]='S'
: >foobar[2]=foobar[0]+33;
: >
: >The array now contains the word 'Satan'. Think strings on the binary
: >would find it? NOT!
: Yep. That's a convoluted way to create the string "Satan", but you're
: still putting the letters S, a, t, a, and n in consecutive locations, and
: strings will find it. Strings (or grep -i satan) on the *source* would
: fail, of course.
..I edited a bit to shorten the text. Sorry, if I changed the meaning..
I tend to not agree with your assertion. String will not be able to find
what you expect. The Array is initialized at runtime. If you would check
the in-memory data segment at runtime after the code initialized the array,
then you would be able to find the offending string.
This thread is better the the comedy hour on cable :-)
Remco
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de wrote:
: Keith Moore (moore@cs.utk.edu) wrote:
: : (Not sure, but I don't
: : think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
: You're right !
That was totally uncalled for !-)
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Subject: satan in the machine
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I can't believe this! I just can't. I've been away from the Linux
discussion for 6 months and I come back to find this?!
An almost exact repeat of what happened with Doom in pc.action.
Ok - the games up. Yes, the Unix community is really made up of
devil worshipers. No question about it - look at all those daemons
running amok on these systems! Sheesh.
Well, I have one question :- If having Satan written or stored in any
way means or form is a cause for concern, perhaps these Xtian's who
get so upperty about it would like to have a lobotomy? After all, they
must have the word and idea stored in their brains.
Get a life people.
And, yes, this is off topic (just like the other dozen or so messages
on this thread).
-cameron.
(a happy atheist who doesn't get upset over mere words or ideas).
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Subject: Re: satan in the machine
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From: strike@steam.rome.ny.us (Tim "Strikemaster" Bowser)
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cam@DIALix.oz.au (Cameron Newham) writes:
>I can't believe this! I just can't. I've been away from the Linux
>discussion for 6 months and I come back to find this?!
>An almost exact repeat of what happened with Doom in pc.action.
>Ok - the games up. Yes, the Unix community is really made up of
>devil worshipers. No question about it - look at all those daemons
>running amok on these systems! Sheesh.
I've heard it said that "God is in the details", so those who live for
tweaking source code must be "in balance" as far as this religious thing
goes.
My first and last input on the subject...
>Get a life people.
Never happen.
>And, yes, this is off topic (just like the other dozen or so messages
>on this thread).
>-cameron.
>(a happy atheist who doesn't get upset over mere words or ideas).
Count me as a Transcendental Atheistic Christian Karmatic Yuppie
(T.A.C.K.Y) ... :)
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: drdave@wvolusia.oau.org (David Vessell)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 18:35:44 EST
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In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu
(Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists)
>He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
>the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
>this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
>this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
>1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
>machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.
Allow me to enumerate my comments.
1. Anything called 'Slackware' is more likely to have been put together
by Subgenii than anyone else. A typical Subgenius is a little eccentric
but largely harmless.
2. Wiccans are not Satanists. They're probably closer to Druids than
anyone else.
3. Your friend and everyone like him should realize their imaginations are
getting the better of them.
4. Prodigy is much closer to Evil Incarnate than Slackware likely is.
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 07:00:05 GMT
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In article <9401215.3411@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au>,
Fergus Henderson <fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>
>>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>>
>>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>>
>>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>>accessible.
>
>I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
>The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
>My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
But explain this:
grep -c "Bow down to his majesty Satan Prince of the underworld." /dev/mem
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\ / :-)-~ o>--< | act I have programmed a computer. . .
\ / You are ~1,000,000,000,000,000 .1ms NAND gates have a nice day. . . .
\/ The true theory of everything will run on a finite turing machine. . . .
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Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
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From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 23:01:29 GMT
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entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard) writes:
>In article <9401215.3411@mulga.cs.mu.oz.au>,
>Fergus Henderson <fjh@munta.cs.mu.OZ.AU> wrote:
>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>>ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>>>> However, strings will NOT catch every act of chicanery.
>>>Strings on the binary would'nt find it. Strings on /proc/pid/mem probably
>>>would (?) or /dev/{k}mem, /dev/swap or wherever the address space is
>>>accessible.
>>I just did a "grep -i SATAN /dev/mem", and came up with 105 hits!
>>The more I repeat the command, the more occurences it finds!!!
>>My Linux system must be possessed!!!!!!!
>But explain this:
>grep -c "Bow down to his majesty Satan Prince of the underworld." /dev/mem
Aaaaarrrrrggghhhhh. It's a virus! So far it has infected both bellona
(where I read news) and midget (here...), and it's spreading.
A reboot seems to fix it, but as I write this reply, it starts again!
This is plain pl14, and no steenking distribution thingie.
patrick (hmm... politically correct RAM chips, perhaps?)